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Not sure about the sin bin thing before I hear more but one thing I think Football has needed for a long long time is allowing only the captain to approach the referee.

It's frustrating to watch when a foul or something happens and then you get half the pitch sprint over to the ref to try and influence him into making some kind of decision.

Having the ref's micced up so you can hear a conversation between them and the captain would make for good viewing whilst also improving the overall game I think.

Okay... what is the problem people have with sin bins (aka orange cards)?

Tactical fouls are dead.

Let's try and ruin football even more

Fuckin what? Bin VAR and stop all this nonsense. Let’s just go back to playing the game…

No thanks

if we’re going to go full hockey we should let players fight too

This is class, would rather them do it for professinal and intentional fouls that dont quite equate to a red but a yellow is not enough

If they do this, they need to implement a mechanism whereby incorrect yellow cards can be rescinded.
Something along the lines of the tennis appeal system.

I think this would be horrendous, you'd just see the most negative time wasting anti-football as teams try to play out the period with reduced numbers.

Don’t copy Ruby , Ruby is rubbish

rather ice hockey , let the guys fight it out. Winner gets the free kick

It’s not a bad idea in principle, but it’s just another way for officials to make inconsistent decisions.

Feels like sin bins for tactical fouling is just creating even more problems rather than just up how often yellow cards are given for them.

More things for city to get away with. Things being at the referees discretion isn’t going to go well. Especially something like this

By adding another sanction other than a yellow card or red card I think it will just add to the shit show lead to even more inconsistencies and talking points around refereeing decisions

The key thing about sim binning is it SHOULD make it harder for a referee to fuck up.

This is because there’s a huge difference between a yellow card and a red card both in terms of what warrants one and also the consequences. The addition of a sim bin makes this difference smaller

So give the ref's another tool to dictate the flow/outcome of games. What could go wrong.

Without changing the rules to net play time (e.g. two 30 min halves) this is gonna be a MESS.

The idea is fine, but when one team has a sin bin and they start wasting time and in the end the player is out for like 2 minutes of actual game play... while in other case a player is out for 10+ (or whatever it ends up being) people are gonna be mad.

The VAR stuff yesterday, Sin Bins today. It's like an advent calendar of ways to ruin the most popular sport in the world. I'm looking forward to seeing what dogshit idea they'll give us tomorrow

You should never be incentivised to break the rules in a game. Cynical fouls have been a plague for a long time.

Sin bins were piloted in 2018-19 and led to the Football Association reporting a 38% total reduction in dissent across 31 leagues.

They were then introduced across all levels of grassroots football from the 2019-20 season in an attempt to to improve levels of respect and fair play.

The rule change was then implemented up to step five of the National League system and tier three and below in women's football.

This echoes my experience of them in grassroots 11 a side and sanctioned small sided football (in 5-7 a side they are two minutes).

I don’t see why they wouldn’t also work in professional football.

At grassroots level they have the big advantage of not having to deal with all the paperwork and admin of fining players.

One example I’ve seen them used quite well in is where you have a handbags at dawn type scenario with a bit of a melee and some pushing and shoving. A sin bin each for the two main antagonists tends to calm the game down without needing such drastic action as a red card.

This is a good idea imo a yellow card for some of these tactical fouls isn’t enough

If it’s just a trial then I don’t mind - curious to see what the result is.

Players will waste time like crazy until their teammate is out of the bin.

Pre-VAR I would have been all for this, but I can only see this lengthening the game even more and introducing another source of uncertainty and disagreement.

This could work for dissent, but even then I'm not keen. A 10 minute spell on the sidelines is enough to ruin a game for something we're trying to define as less serious than a red card.

Imagine - a high stakes, UCL Semi Final, 88 minutes and it's level, end to end. A player loses it for a second under immense pressure, drops an f-bomb at the 4th official and is sin-binned. Their teammates stop playing and sit deep waiting for extra time. Game ruined, for what benefit?