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[–] xSnakyy@alien.top 2 points 9 months ago

“Oh yeah and the keyboard won’t work”

[–] gowildman@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

LTT is terrible, they didn't "fix" anything and Apple should continue to ignore him.

[–] A-Delonix-Regia@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

TLDW: This video shows this device called the "Frore AirJet", which is an active cooler that uses piezoelectrics rather than fans to push air through at 1700 pascals.

The Verge article on them: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/27/23975368/frore-airjet-apple-macbook-air-fanless-mems

The LTT team had to do a lot of modifications (remove the speakers to use the speaker vents for airflow, and remove the MagSafe port, one USB-C port, the keyboard's input cables, and the Wi-Fi antenna), but they were able to get the following results:

Cinebench score Power usage
Normal 15" M2 Air 8200 Around 14.5W
Modded 15" M2 Air 8600 Around 19W
M2 Pro 8700 Around 19.5W
[–] -Narme-@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I don’t get it. Based on the results wouldn’t using more Watts be worse?

[–] Sandurz@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

All that for a relatively tiny bump? I thought it would be a lot more drastic

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[–] carry-on_replacement@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I don’t know why people are dunking on LTT on this one. He clearly says that this is not the product he wants Apple to sell, just that he wants Apple to engineer this into their products, IO and speaker and all. Better cooling could benefit all of us after all.

Just let PCMR do PCMR things and move on with life.

[–] misc2342@alien.top 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I don’t know why people are dunking on LTT on this one.

Probably because of the click-bait title "We fixed it!" where nothing is to be fixed. A title like "Apple, we have a proposition" would be better.

[–] James_Vowles@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The lack of cooling in the air is definitely something that should be fixed, it's done like that on purpose so it doesn't perform as well as the Pro. For the price it's mad.

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[–] -Gh0st96-@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The title is not "we fixed it"

[–] FIorp@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

LTT changes the title multiple times after uploading to see what gets them the most views.

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[–] hi_im_bored13@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and he notes why pretty shortly into the video: the PC realm copies apple. The video seemed to be complimenting apple if anything, and the level of engineering seems pretty commendable.

Regarding the tech itself, I was looking into it for my personal pc a while earlier and it seems like each module has a max of 10W as it needs to act as a heatsink along with a fan. Performs better than passive of course, but (as evident by the video) still falls short to a conventional fan in a larger chassis.

[–] militantnegro_IV@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Would have been useful to compare noise levels between this and the traditional blower.

[–] Jusanden@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Honestly, as someone that's just swapped over into the Apple ecosystem, some of the reactions here are extremely off-putting. LTT has its clear biases here. In general, they're a big fan of Apple's hardware capabilities, especially surrounding the M-series CPUs. They aren't a big fan of their misleading marketing, pricing, product segmentation, or locked down ecosystem. I feel like that is a very fair stance. Linus used to daily drive Airpods and wear an Apple watch, despite being staunchly an Android user ffs.

[–] Echo_Raptor@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because of what came out about ltt

[–] A-Delonix-Regia@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

No, it's because every tech subreddit has a hate boner for whoever is biased against their brand, especially if clickbait titles and cringe grins are involved. This sub hated Linus even before those allegations.

[–] James_Vowles@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fanboyism in the apple world is just nuts. No wonder they are called sheeple.

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[–] mohsinjavedcheema@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Why Linus hates Apple so much, of course he would not like to disappoint his PC friends on his channel but at least be logical.

[–] microChasm@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Someone has a vested interest in Apple buying or licensing this tech.

[–] TimeRemove@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The video is clear that this is a Frore Systems/Airjet demo. I feel like both the MacWorld article and LTT on this couldn't have been clearer on that point. So, yeah, Frore Systems are obviously trying to get Apple to buy/license this tech (or the PC competition), and they aren't shy about it.

[–] James_Vowles@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Obviously not just Apple, everyone, they are trying to make their product replace fans in all computing.

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[–] James_Vowles@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Duh? You think who made this product is going to give it away for free?

[–] justinchao740@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Although I think this is a cool new technology and Apple could implement this.

I would argue 99% of the userbase for the macbook air wouldn't actually care. This laptop has always been the laptop for word processing, basic web browsing and just normal day to day computer usage. This laptop was never meant to handle long renders or any tasks that require 20+min of constant 100% load dumping heat into the system.

For the 99% of userbase for the macbook air, the passive cooling is plenty sufficient. Apple sacrificed cooling that wouldn't really affect the majority of air user anyways for lighter weight, thinner device, cleaner built and absolute silence. For the user that the air is targeted for, these sacrifices are well justified.

I believe this technology would be very nice to be implemented in a new 13in macbook pro of some kind. Small laptop able to handle long load with some "pro" features (promotion, etc). But it's unnecessary for the air as the majority of its userbase would never see those benefits.

I personally own a 13in M1 air, for what I do with it, it never needs more cooling than it has now and I would happily trade the potentially more cooling for the benefits listed above. I also have a full PC for when I need more power.

[–] militantnegro_IV@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think people are focussing too much on the specific machine and concluding this wouldn't be worth it for the Air.

I don't think it would make business sense in that making the Air equivalent to the Pro wouldn't be a thing Apple would do.

I think it's more of an opportunity to make the Pro line thinner / pack in more battery etc...

Too much focus on the Air rather than what the overall technology could open up.

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[–] Agreeable-Weather-89@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The M2 chip brings more speed to everything you do — whether you’re editing a video for class, collaborating on a business plan or streaming a show while you shop online. And with all-day battery life, you can leave the power adapter at home.

From the Macbook Air Apple page.

[–] i_am_blacklite@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Do you have a problem editing a video on a MacBook Air?

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[–] mikerfx@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I saw this on PC World YT first, I don’t watch LTT, I don’t trust that dude and his channel. Here is the PC World YT link talking about actual tech and demo: https://youtu.be/u0k46Wnq3Rk?si=BoLk9mxEnOJTVEvj

[–] 00DEADBEEF@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Cla1n@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Finding it so difficult to watch LTT contents.

[–] yumstheman@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] paradoxally@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

He's out of ideas so he has to do this nonsense for views.

A channel like Gamers Nexus puts LTT to shame for PCMR. For Apple content there's dozens of smaller channels.

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[–] DJGloegg@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why didnt they just replace the backplate with a specialized one instead of removing components? :(

[–] michrz@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think that mainly to show that it can fit in Air's design thickness-wise.

[–] Cowslayer9@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If you want to cool a MacBook Air more, an actually practical solution is to layer the ‘heatsink’ with (0.5mm) thermal pads to turn the bottom cover into a heat dissipater

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[–] franklindstallone@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully no one was harassed in the making of this video.

[–] noochies99@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Hopefully the only people harassed were the makers of this device, reckless speculation but Linus probably stole it or extorted the company for a share of the licensing in order to feature it on his harassment hour/ I mean YouTube channel

[–] 00DEADBEEF@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Looks like AirJet is sending out these things with sample modified MBAs so YouTubers can destroy functional computers and turn them in to e-waste to sell Air Jet's products. As somebody else pointed out, PC World did a similar video on the same topic at almost the same time.

[–] bbgun83@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Apple, don't listen to this moron

[–] A-Delonix-Regia@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why? Can't Apple just take the idea from the video but apply it to the Pro instead to make that thinner?

[–] caedin8@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

No it’s a bad idea. Fans are better

[–] SillySoundXD@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

apple dont listen to this moron above me.

[–] youlinter@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Almost no one does anymore lol

[–] sacratoy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Didn't expect to see this clown today.

[–] OrganicFun7030@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I just bought an M2 air rather than a pro for my coding. It functions great. In my desk it’s fine. On my lap it’s uncomfortably hot after a long compile.

(That said if I asked somebody in Apple marketing they would probably suggest that the pro is there for people like me. )

Apple need to differentiate the pro from the air. Start at 16Gb maybe.

[–] James_Vowles@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Airjet seems amazing from the information I've read on it, hopefully it lives up to the hype and we see it replace fans. Quieter and better performance, Apple would love it.

[–] undernew@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, Apple would not love it because it uses way more power. It's extremely inefficient compared to a regular fan and the battery life would suffer.

[–] James_Vowles@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If it's smaller than a fan they can use the extra space to put more battery in. Not my problem to deal with, that's for Apple engineers.

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[–] microChasm@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t get the point of the video

Other than…”Hey, you can mod a MacBook Air that uses less power and has fan-less cooling and take some things out of it that are needed and add another fan-less cooling tech that requires more power to get a slight processing power increase and burn your lap while using it. But hey!, it can be done!”

What a waste of time.

And to pose the question that Apple should use this tech? Why would they want the liability, reduced quality and sacrifice the lower power solution they have now?

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[–] youlinter@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Each with their own but this guy lost all integrity to me. And judging by how poorly his stuff is met lately at least here on Reddit tech channels I’m probably not the only one. Will of course be sure to avoid his posts here altogether from now on.

[–] untetheredocelot@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

So brave! Thank you for your service 🫡

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