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and no one irl even has the decency to agree with me because it's so fucking drilled into the culture that these fucking BuNsInNesSes have a Right to do this because it's a bSUsniEss. like oh yeah they have an office building so they definitely get to analyze my piss because they say they want to. sick fucking freaks.

preaching to the choir a bit on lemmy (or i would hope so at least) but still

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in NZ, but generally if you work on an industrial site, pre-work checks are normal along with "reasonable cause testing" and random checks are becoming more popular.

For office work, I don't know anyone that is tested.

Having worked on various industrial sites for over 15 years, I have only been randomly tested once, I have had two pre-employment checks done.

I don't see it as a big deal here, the reasonable cause testing is done to ensure who is safe, we have nationalized insurance here so there is no denial of claims or anything similar. You will almost certainly be fired if you are under the influence and cause an accident.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on the job. I don't know that I want my kids teacher on meth, or an airline pilot on speed or whatever. Working in education and the aviation industry (and military) are the only times I've been required to take a drug test. Don't know why it would be mandatory for certain industries. Like. Is my food not going to make it to the table from the kitchen because the waiter smoked a joint before his shift?

[–] BigT54@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is pretty much how it is in the US. If an employee's drug use is a potential serious liability, most insurance companies require drug testing for them to insure you (generally, I can't imagine companies want to drug test because it is actually quite expensive). Like in the construction industry, a lot of companies drug test because you really shouldn't have someone on drugs operating heavy machinery and you sure as shit won't get insured if you dont. I can't speak to the companies that do it regardless of liability concerns but I work in an engineering position for a large company and no one is drug tested. In fact, no company I have worked for has drug tested.

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Place I work explicitly told me they don't drug test. They understood what you do on your time is your business. So long as you don't come to work under the influence of anything.

[–] Wilibus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I work in a manufacturing facility, so very much a safety sensitive environment.

We are required to be drug tested as part of a pre-employment screening and potentially after incidents. The cool thing is it is part of our collective bargaining agreement that they are not allowed to screen for THC with a urine sample because of how invasive it is.

Mouth swabs are more expensive, but also only screen for THC within 24 hours. I'm sure that number is up for debate as well, but it is a far cry from the 6-8 weeks you can potentially test positive for with a urine screening.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IIRC, many industries still get tax breaks and financial incentives for doing so.

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[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Not an American exclusive

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[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

It’s only legal if it’s required for your profession (like in aviation), it might threaten life or mean death (for instance a taxi driver), there are big non-lethal risks connected to the employee’s work (no idea on this one)

As it’s a medial procedure so it has extra rules regarding that and the shielding of medical records from the employer.

The company also have to discuss this with the workers show stewards before they choose to do testing, and other forms of action needs to be taken and be ineffective before you can move on to testing.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's largely a cash cow industry that exists to absolve employers of liability. It takes on a different form in cases of legitimate safety concerns.

It's not unlike the DEI industry in that way, because while there's legitimate notions behind it, the form it takes in this coercive context is more about what benefits the employer. If your employee's supposed personal resentments are the cause of all the problems with nepotism and favoritism etc... if employees are more focused on their own differences and the employer can claim a moral high ground...

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