Liberals when talking about human rights: :) Liberals when talking about the enforcement of human rights: :(
this post was submitted on 13 Jun 2023
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Tankies ≠ leftists ≠ liberals
Plenty of leftists want human rights and even know we'll need a revolution to get them, but the USSR and CCP were not ever communist, they were authoritarian oligarchies disguised as communism. The same way the US is not a democracy or a republic, it's an authoritarian oligarchy disguised as one.
The USSR wasn't perfect (and Stalin ruined most things that were good obviously) but they weren't any worse than the USA or the west.
Your reading comprehension really is something to behold. You basically just disagreed with me by saying exactly the same thing I just fucking said.
Yeah okay, fair enough, I kinda only read the start and end of your post. I guess I agree with you then. I still think the USSR gets too much hate in general though. I vociferously defend the USSR around liberals and attack it around M-Ls lol.
I kinda only read the start and end of your post
You should try learning to read, it will change your life.
My opinion on the USSR is that Lenin was cool, Trotsky was cool, and everyone else deserved to be hanged in Minecraft
Lenin and Trotsky were mass murderers.
What do you think a revolution is?
Not the massacre of the Kronstadt Rebellion:
Disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik government, the rebels—whom Leon Trotsky himself had praised earlier as "adornment and pride of the revolution"—demanded a series of reforms: reduction in Bolshevik power, newly elected soviets (councils) to include socialist and anarchist groups, economic freedom for peasants and workers, dissolution of the bureaucratic governmental organs created during the civil war, and the restoration of civil rights for the working class.
Convinced of the popularity of the reforms they were fighting for (which they partially tried to implement during the revolt), the Kronstadt seamen waited in vain for the support of the population in the rest of the country and rejected aid from emigrants. Although the council of officers advocated a more offensive strategy, the rebels maintained a passive attitude as they waited for the government to take the first step in negotiations. By contrast, the authorities took an uncompromising stance, presenting an ultimatum demanding unconditional surrender on March 5. Once this period expired, the Bolsheviks raided the island several times and suppressed the revolt on March 18 after shooting and imprisoning several thousand rebels.
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Trotsky and his commander-in-chief, Sergey Kamenev, had approved chemical warfare by gas shells and balloons against Kronstadt if the resistance continued.
"BUHT REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED"
Tankies ≠ Liberals, though
Yes that was my point, easy to criticise tankies but at least they want to do things.
I'm a Liberal through and through and I'm all in favor of enforcing human rights.
That's great, but liberalism as an ideology in the real world is pathetically weak on the right.
Yeah, the Liberals only destroyed the Nazis and Imperial Japan in WWII, saving the USSR in the process.
Not to mention jailing far right nutballs whenever they step out of line.
Much worse than running gulags for anarchists. /s
The USSR did 90% of the work in beating the Nazis though. As for jailing the far right, it sure doesn't look like it, just look how many of them are running around encouraging stochastic terrorism against the LGBT community.
The USSR only fought the Nazis, and then only after allying with them.
The west also did a ton of non-aggression pacts and friendship pacts with the Nazis. Also; Poland was fascist at the time too.
Poland was not in a good place politically, but it wasn't Fascist, and the USSR didn't just make a friendship pact with the Nazis, it went to war alongside them. Stalin was an opportunist who made a dumb decision, not a principled anti-Fascist.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1849240
Poland also did the exact same thing as the USSR did when it allied with Nazi Germany to annex part of Czechoslovakia. I don't deny that Stalin was an opportunist but nonetheless, despite its failures it was the USSR which did the lion's share of warfare against the Nazis and ended the holocaust. As for not taking part against Japan, they did invade Manchuria and would have turned their attention on the rest of Japan had they not surrendered to the USA (indeed the USSR entering the war against them was the biggest reason why they surrendered).
(indeed the USSR entering the war against them was the biggest reason why they surrendered).
No, it wasn't. This is straight-up Soviet propaganda.
Just a reminder that you can be critical of the US, NATO and other capitalist entities without sucking China's and Russia's cock, or romanticizing the USSR's or Warsaw block's legacy.
Frankly I don't see the difference between a fascist or a tankie if either are in favor of oppressing innocent people and restricting human rights.
are they even in this 196
Looking at a few of the comments, yes.
lefty anti-capitalist spaces tend to attract them in general
Not in this one they're all on the tankie instance
well it sounds like the tankie instance needs blocked then. What instance is that btw?
The instance is called lemmygrad.ml and already blocked by most of the other instances. You can see blocked instances if you scroll down the page and click on the Instances button.
Their 196 is called moretankie196.
lemmy.ml is also pretty tankies friendly. Lemmy.world is the only instance I'm using regularly although suggestions of other good ones are welcome
It’s over run with them. We need a world news community on Lemmy.World and calls to defederate the .ml instance
What's a 196? What's a tankie?
Originally, tankies were Western Leftists who defended the USSR when it used literal tanks to crush popular revolutions in Czechoslovakia and Hungary.
«tankie» is a term used to describe communists who support or are critically supportive of so-called "authoritarian regimes" (AES (actual existing socialism) such as Cuba, the USSR, China, Vietnam, the DPRK, Laos, etc.) or their actions.
The guy driving the tank rather than standing in front of it.
A 196 is a meme sharing forum with the name 196. I don't really know how to describe a tankie, but something like: a leftist person who glorifies autocracy and the use of force to make a leftist utopia.
A Utopia which viciously guards its borders to keep people from leaving.
But if you force people in, it's a prison, not a utopia...
Thanks. I guess that I am grateful that I don't know about either of those things.
196 is the subreddit that this community is based on. The only official rules are that you must post before you leave and you can't be a bigot. It ends up basically like r/shitposting, except aggressively pro-LGBTQ instead of anti.
A tankie is a leftist who thinks that Mao, Stalin, and Castro were cool.
The community is called moretankie196 and I'm not sure what the server is exactly called
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Wait a fucking moment, this post is 23d old. Lmao, sorting by hot moment.
196 doesn't really seem to be very tankie filled
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