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All apple has to do is to not charge so much for subscriptions to the point where you need to subscribe from a computer to avoid taxes and this wouldn't have happened

Regulate your greed or UE is coming from you

Then don’t do it. Oh wait.

Why is iPhone the only OS that's so insecure that it can't let users install apps the usual way?

I’ll be honest, as much as I agree with the freedom of choice on that matter. He is not wrong to say that if you can only download apps from the App Store, that closes a massive security hole. I’m not looking forward to having to troubleshoot grandmas iPhone because she downloaded the wrong thing looking for a recipe but it’ll be nice to not be confined to the rules of the corporate overlords. Pros and cons.

I see that one of the bigger reasons why people want sideloading so bad is to pirate apps they don’t want to buy.

I can assure that a developer would likely take the 30% cut from the App Store versus trying your luck on other stores like Play Store, Galaxy Store, with the added risk of someone pirating your app and missing out on potential revenue.

Unpopular opinion but iOS doesn’t need sideloading. What does need sideloading is the goddamn iPad. It’s the most neglected product by Apple and giving it sideloading capabilities allows devs to make the most out of the M1/M2 chip.

If apps are offered on both App Store and 3rd party app store, I see no problem.

It’s only when developers start pulling their apps out of the App Store and exclusively into their own app stores that it begins to crack. Hear me out.

Sideloading is a niche setting for the technologically literate. The average consumer downloads apps from either the App Store or the Play Store, because this is the most convenient and easiest to understand.

We don’t have a Meta Store on Android because there’s no incentive for Zuck to build one. Why? Because only Android allows sideloading, they have to go through the App Store on iOS. It will be a terrible user experience on Android if they pull their apps from the Play Store and onto the Meta Store exclusively, and probably push some people to buy iPhones instead.

But if we start allowing 3rd party app stores on iPhone, there’s now a huge incentive. They can make a Meta Store and put FB, Insta, WhatsApp, Oculus app, etc. on it, and pull it out of both App Store and Play Store.

Now, Meta can say, whichever phone you buy, you’ll still need to download the Meta Store.

Everyone: we want choice!

Apple: that's the great misunderstanding. If you can't choose us, you have no choice.

Wut...

Will this open up the real Jailbreak again?

If yes it would be nice to run Linux on an IOS device.

Apple should make an IOS version to opt out side loading, not everyone want to be hacked.

Yeah yeah… we know, you’ll louse profit…

Apple shouldn’t be the one who devices what the users end up actually using… they should compete to have the best product, and let the users decide for themselves.

I think whenever sideloading becomes a thing the most reasonable solution to me is to make it only doable by injection through a program on a Mac or pc.

It would still allow anyone that really wants to get a program to have it, and the program itself could still self update without having to plug back in, but it would add that one extra step that would keep your average person from accidentally downloading something they shouldn’t.

Like my grandma. If sideloading were on a phone and just had to click okay a couple extra times, she might accidentally do it. If she had to plug it in to download initially, she’d think is this something that I need?

Should side-loading be allowed? From a consumer point of view, absolutely.

Will it also be a nightmare for Apple? Also yes. Just wait till boomers and dumb teenagers load malware onto her iPhone and some poor schmuck at the Apple Store has to deal with it. Keeping the iPhone locked to the App Store is far simpler for Apple and makes the phones more reliable. It's also hella profitable.

For those of us who know what we're doing, it would be awesome to have access to apps that Apple might not otherwise not allow. It'll also give developers more freedom.

But you gotta remember that the general population is dumb and does dumb shit.

I would have agreed with this stance 6+ years ago but there’s so much garbage, malware, adware, etc. on the App Store that it’s not as regulated as they’d like to have you believe.

Even simple stuff like a pdf editor, phot editor or whatever. If it’s not a big name company, you’re taking a risk. Let’s not get into small and more niche apps.

Plus, Google kinda pushed Apple into this position but if this goes through, first thing everyone is doing is install YouTube Vanced to ditch the ads.

Overall I’m pretty whatever on it, it it happens, great. If it doesn’t, oh well.

The ONLY thing that would get me to be more in favour is if this allows for ublock to make an appearance as a fully fledged iOS app with all the bells and whistles I see on PC.

Why not let others also run secure App Store, w/o sideloading? Or pull out of Europe altogether if they worry so much about security?

This article and the quotes are very carefully worded. The security they are referring too could actually be the security within the app distribution system, which in the current Apple ecosystem is the App store.

Apple can not guarantee the security of the app distribution of a 3rd party system.

However, the security on your device is provided by the operating system and the API an app can use. NOT the the Apple app store.

One can still write and publish an app to the app store, which violates usage terms, exploits a vulnerability in the operating system or hardware, and compromises security. There is no guarantee to protect users against this.

I still want the ability to install apps without involving Apple or the Apple app store. I have working iphones that are unusable because they are "too old" and don't work with the app store anymore. There is nothing wrong with them and I have use cases for them, but Apple has rendered them functionally useless and then says I should buy a new iphone...

Just to share a bit..in my country we have had a huge influx of cases in android users getting scammed of their entire life savings because they were socially engineered/tricked to sideload malicious apps that basically allow the scammers full control of their phones, siphoning all their life savings away before they even realize what’s going on. These cases come up in the local news/online news once every 1-2 weeks.

These people aren’t all grandmas/grandpas either. They’re also young people in their 30s or middle-aged. They tried to purchase something on offer / complete a survey to get a gift, and were tricked to download apps to make orders / something similar, but ended up having their phones fully under the control of the scammers. The scammers then made use of their internet banking apps to siphon everything out while they were asleep. To make things worse, over here we have almost everyone on internet banking.

Definitely am not for iPhone being able to sideload apps. It is so dangerous for regular users. They wouldn’t understand what it means.

May be Apple wouldn't have been forced to allow sideloading if they hadn't resorted to monopolistic practices and extorted profits from developers.

Of course this is the angle they take, because they know they're going to be forced to actually have to compete.

I just wanna install ppsspp

Me too I speak out against iPhone app sideloading, it’s right

Unrealistic, but would be funny if apple just go "fuck EU, I'm not selling them phones anymore" route

“That’s a great misunderstanding – and one we have tried to explain over and over."

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --George W Bush

I’m just hoping for Emulators. Can’t imagine what the 15 Pro can do with emulators, it’s gonna be a beast with a backbone.

so mac OS insecure?

then why sell it its?

Why do we take these arguments from corporate talking heads anymore seriously than a politican telling us his plan to lower taxes for the poor?

It's literally politician speak that's aimed to preserve the company's profits, not be factual.

I will greatly appreciate side loading because I live in a foreign country and often the local ios App is only available in the local region app store and not my home country's.

Here’s what I believe : yes, sideloading is a security issue and will never not be. However, this applies to every platform. Using this as a justification for not allowing it is like using terrorism as a justification for locking yourself up in a door-less, window-less room for the rest of your life. Would it be safer? Yes. Would it be a good experience? No.

Ngl I wouldn't care if I could just download a damn gameboy emulator from the App Store.

This is going to be a hell that I’m not looking forward to. Every company and their mother is about to make their own App Store, just like every video game company has their own “launcher” to try to compete with Steam. Ugh.

zzz

What if I buy a subscription outside of the app store like on a windows laptop from apps website or something will they still charge me more if I the download the app on an iPhone and sign into my account?