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All the talk of Starmer not having personality or leadership seemed to skim over me for the longest time and I thought he was the right man for the job. I liked the way he interviewed and I thought his career of ‘fighting the good fight’ made him just what we needed.
I’m not sure anymore. His handling of important topics recently has been lacklustre to say the least and, although I don’t really like the term, I’m seeing him as a ‘red Tory’ more and more.
I'm a foreigner but the second I laid eyes on him I said he's a tory plant. Something is so off about him, and his father who used his hands
It is a turn up for the books when Starmer pulls out the Corbyn card to get out of a crisis.
He is the eternal bogeyman, perfect to frighten centre right labour members back in line.
To be fair, Corbyn has made himself look a right stupid wanker these last few weeks. He’s the gift that keeps on giving, and constantly proves why Starmer will probably win a dirty landslide
He's not exactly the devil and not exactly the perfect angelic vision that each side makes him out to be.
I like his national, social policies. I don't like his foreign policy.
Despite it affecting far less of the country, his foreign policy is what got him lambasted in the media.
As an American, I always watched Corbyn from afar thinking of him as your version of Bernie Sanders. Sanders has disappointed of late as well with his refusal to call for a ceasefire and his less than nuanced blind support of Israel's bombardment of civilians. So... I guess Corbyn's unwillingness to call Hamas a terrorist org feels very similar.
What's stopping Cobbo from creating a new Labour party (kek) and running for what he believes in? From the sounds of it he'll have tonnes of support from Labour voters that don't like Starmer.
FPTP.
True. FPTP is utter trash, but look what UKIP did under that system to push their agenda. They only won one, maybe two, seats. Corbyn could force Starmer's hand in the same way Farrage did. Why is that not a possibility?
If we need radical left thinking back in our politics why have they effectively given up?
Maybe it doesn't have quite the support that the vocal group believes it does?
Those at the top know this and would rather play in the Labour playground where they get noticed rather than languish in obscurity if they split off.
UKIP had support on both sides of the fence, not just Tories, and had a strong narrative that they've been working on. Corbyn Labour does not.
Maybe it doesn't have quite the support that the vocal group believes it does?
I believe they have..... momentum on their side 😎.
Ba dum cha!
Maybe they do, I don't know, perhaps it's not that they fear that they would languish but find it easier to do what they do because they can concentrate on their core message?
Either way, as a remainer, I don't believe that it's the same as UKIP as they were taking votes from both Labour and Conservatives, but for different reasons. The Tories managed to grab Labour voters by pandering to that crowd.
Corbyn Labour hasn't position itself as being a cross party concern so there is no benefit on being outside the party.
if corbyn defected to the green party, it would absolutely threaten starmer's labour.
You’re talking about it as if that’s a sign of a healthy democracy. FPTP is a scourge. Every country that uses it is falling apart in wild swings between left and right.
oh you're right fptp is rubbish im just saying corbyn would make the greens formidable
imagine hating a man like jeremy corbyn who wants to stop people from dying from bombs.
what is starmer going to do once he's in power and the tories and the media that he courted to put him in power go back to the tories now that they're not in power and he has no more of the party left because he chased off the entire left flank?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Keir Starmer has said Jeremy Corbyn’s “days as a Labour MP are over” after the former party leader repeatedly refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation.
Corbyn was repeatedly asked in an interview on TalkTV’s Piers Morgan Uncensored programme on Monday whether he thought Hamas was a terrorist group.
Hamas – which was responsible for killing 1,200 people in Israel on 7 October and kidnapping a further 240 – are proscribed as a terrorist group in the UK and support for them is banned.
Starmer faced a bruising week on the issue of the Israel-Hamas war after a major rebellion in the Commons against the party’s position of calling for pauses in the violence but not going so far as to demand a ceasefire.
He had put Labour MPs on a three-line whip not to vote for a Scottish National party (SNP) motion calling for an immediate cessation of hostilities.
Afzal Khan, Yasmin Qureshi, Paula Barker and Naz Shah were among the shadow junior ministers who resigned on Wednesday after abstaining from the vote, while Jess Phillips, Rachel Hopkins, Sarah Owen and Andy Slaughter left their frontbench roles after backing the amendment.
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