Lol. Remember when W10 was to be the "final" one?
this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2023
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The "10 year OS" that was 2015. Guess profits got in the way.
Oh and 10 didn't track you enough or put enough ads in the OS.
This is just my own take, but I feel like at least part of the reason they went back to releasing new versions is because of the recent resurgence of macOS. Not only do Macs have the excitement of Apple Silicon, but they have annual "new" OS releases; even if not much has changed, it creates excitement with their fanbase. I think Microsoft realized that it's not very exciting to just be on Windows 10 forever. So we got Windows 11.
I think that Windows 11 is just a name and even if they hadn't named it that we would have gotten the same features as an update in Windows 10. Windows 11 is nothing more than an update. And Windows 12 probably won't be much different. Increasing the number version of Windows looks much better to the average user.
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Well, Win10 Home and Pro EOL is late 2025, so it's tecnically correct...
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Huh, and I've never even used Windows 11...
I didn't even know it had released yet. And at my job they're still using 10.
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with a 64-bit chip operating at a frequency of at least 1000 megahertz continuing to meet the requirements
Wrong. The requirement for Windows 11 is "processor introduced on the market after the year 2018, with absolutely no regards on its computational power" (with a single exception to the specific CPU of the $3500 Microsoft surface studio because they continued to sell the machine with the same old processor for five years)
For example an i7-7700K is "unsupported" but the much slower and with less features atom-based Celeron j4005 is "supported".
The hardware requirements are completely artificial and clearly decided in agreement with Intel and AMD in order to sell more new computers
Is 2018 maybe when TPM modules started going on every motherboard?
No, most tpm implementation nowadays are integrated in the CPU. And Intel 6th gen onwards have tpm 2.0 in the CPU, but they're not supported for "reasons"
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Remember when Windows 10 was "the last operating system"?
Yeah, it was supposed to be a subscription model that they would continuously update. They have not lived up to that promise...
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Here’s a good article about that: https://www.pcworld.com/article/394724/why-is-there-a-windows-11-if-windows-10-is-the-last-windows.html
Apparently that wasn’t really ever Microsoft’s official stance.
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KDE developers: okay so we're gonna switch to a floating taskbar so we look less like a Windows clone
Windows developers: hey guys I have a crazy idea
Nah, this is pure speculation. The only source is Microsoft saying they are working on some next gen stuff, could just as well be a major upgrade to W11.
Key features include subscription fees, only-online capacity, baked in popup ads in every folder and directory, is slower than windows 7, and also streams your webcam to anyone who pays them enough.
/hj
They are necessitating 8GB of RAM. for what?! Like, it would be a struggle to find a machine with less than 8GB still being sold new, sure, but why does the OS need that RAM?
Microsoft: "Gotta keep all of the telemetries and AI running 24/7 of course!"
Every day I'm closer to trying Linux again.
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It's not that the OS needs that amount of RAM, it's that it's lifting the floor for what a modern PC will have, which is a good thing. I can't wait for the day windows requires an SSD.
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So 2025 is the year I finally move my desktop to Linux and run windows in a VM I guess. I still have a few apps that just do not play nicely in Wine that would make transitioning fully more difficult, but I've been full Linux on my laptop for years. Maybe I can finally make the jump on PC.
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I'm not usually a "Windows is terrible" kind of peron, but dramatically changing the main UI every 2 years is the fastest way to get me to change to Linux on my daily driver.
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Tired of windows messing their UI every next monday? You will love linux!
Yes sir, until you update your video driver and never see your screen again. I jest a little bit, but watching linus do that cracks me up every time.
Yeah! There it's you fucking up your UI every next Monday because you're not mentally well, and you can't let good enough be good enough
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Apparently they're going to move the system files to their own protected partition in 12, first good Microsoft change?
But I loved having Windows deciding it owns my boot partition and formatting over my bootloader
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According to the source, Microsoft wants to make the taskbar appear to float above the desktop by separating it from the desktop and rounding off the corners.
...why?
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why are the comments on most news articles on here so negative or cynical :(
I think the floating tasbar looks nice
I'm this particular case, I think there is a lot to criticize.
8GB minimum RAM is a lot of requirement for an OS. It makes Microsoft look like they have forgotten what an OS is supposed to be doing.
The floating taskbar might look nice, but to me it looks like they are trying to mimic MacOS or Gnome3. While there's nothing wrong with that, it does seem like Microsoft is not innovating so much as following.
I think many people are just jaded by Microsoft, though. The last couple of releases have been kinda meh and with them dropping support for older hardware entirely and sunsetting support for Windows 10 soon they are leaving a lot of users out to dry.
As a developer who has to support Windows 11 currently, I find the prospect of Windows 12 replacing 10 to be cause for worry. Windows 11 has been a nightmare to support just due to the API not being idempotent with 10. Queries that work in 10 don't work anymore in 11.
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highly anticipated Windows 12
Microsoft wants to make the taskbar appear to float above the desktop by separating it from the desktop and rounding off the corners
Who gets excited about that!?
Plus, all the (always online, storing everything we say, type and look at) AI features should be looked at critically and not with high anticipation.
chromeOS meets early KDE4. Weird. I don't like Windows 11 either so but I managed to get rid of most of the crap. Should've gone for Windows 10 on my gaming machine but since I use Ubuntu 99% of the time, it's not worth the effort. At least I figured out how to install and use Windows 11 without a Microsoft account. I'd rather depend on Steam on Linux than use a computer with a Microsoft account hooked in.
I'm seriously wondering if we've hit rock button in terms of UI flatness.
Will they actually manage to put all options in a single menu this time? Because it's hilarious that I have to use Options and the a Control Panel in Win11
Oh boy, it'll only run on brand new hardware! Gotta make sure it can run integrated, unswitch-offable OpenClippy GPT or whatever.
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laughs in ubuntu
It will be interesting to know how much AI integration it gets. To me, I think Microsoft will use it as an excuse for telemetry and personal data. They already explored ads on the OS, so I can imagine selling you stuff while trying to use AI tools while trying to do your work. May be a subscription to copilot.
They know that they capitalize can capitalize on AI faster than any major OS developer, but how much value will be given by the user?
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...and we'll be calling it windowsOS 12. It has a revolutionary taskbar which is so new that we gave it an innovative new name: Dack!
Windows 11 still feels like a beta... Have they completely given up on quality?
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These are just the pictures of windows 11, just they made the taskbar float off the bottom
It seems suicidal of Microsoft to release the simplistic version as the first pictures again though...
Unless something changes, there will be options to move the buttons to the left of the bar and make it look closer to older versions again. Of course they could decide not to go that route, but they did this exact same awful release with 11.
I dunno how I feel about it. My desktop which is a port of 10-> 11 is fine. My laptop which is a w11 native, is all fucked up. The file path is c/wahots/Onedrive/desktop, and onedrive is broken, so I can't save files to certain directories. Even remapping directories doesn't work. It's a miserable experience. I'm thinking of backing up everything and getting some sort of clean license, as this Asus one is all fucked up.
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New Windows release already? Looks like Microsoft has realised that its old model of selling major upgrades was more profitable than the Windows 10 strategy.
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