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edit: having a community dedicated to letists only can be a bad idea in that it can make sure your beliefs are not questioned. I have thought myself as a socialist and I have thought myself as a anarcho-capitalist, I don’t believe in either anymore. I think if radical views go unchecked they might cause problems. Although I am a capitalist now, being confronted by socialists has made me aware of capitalisms deep flaws. When I considered myself a communist (17 year old me) I thought opposing views really changed my mind. So that's the ideologically diversity I am talking about.

I love the outlook of lemmy, I think the design is decent and simplistic. But one thing I can't seem to get over is the fact that almost everyone here seem to think the same politically. Why do you guys think this is?? I know this is a community of leftists foss enthusiasts but I hope everyone here is aware that it is driving many people away from adapting it.

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[–] Whom@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I'm going to paste my comment from a similar topic:

I find that conversation flourishes when you limit it to a certain degree. In spaces which are completely open and have a massive range of opinion, what you’ll find is mostly yelling at each other over broad talking points that everyone is already familiar with. After a while, nothing of interest comes out of the far left clashing with the far right all the time. But when you limit it, time can be spent doing other things than yelling at the dickhead on the other side who you have little to no overlap with and see as a dire enemy. You can talk about nuances in principles, differences in organizing, etc. It makes for richer, more interesting conversation.

There's also quite a huge range within the umbrella of leftism, and honestly we already have a huge enough gap there that there's a lot of worthless clashing. Broadening that would only make the site worse.

[–] tracyspcy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just tell me why lemmy.ml should necessarily be ideologically diverse? To be in permanent chaos and useless fights? I think there is already plenty of such platforms...

[–] Owell1984@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You might be right, I do understand your point. Healthy disagreement is not alive anymore. But I think having a community dedicated to letists only can be a bad idea in that it can make sure your beliefs are not questioned. I have thought myself as a socialist and I have thought myself as a anarcho-capitalist, I don't believe in either anymore. I think if radical views go unchecked they might cause problems.

[–] GayLegend@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

You're missing an essential part: Marxists are the only ones who can view society in a scientific light. It's like being frustrated that everyone on a community knows so much about a topic, it doesn't really make sense to be frustrated about. What, when you say something dumb are people too happy and fast to correct you? If you want to feel smart start interacting with YouTube comments, if you want to learn then maybe understand what the actual diverse viewpoints here understand about the world.

[–] tracyspcy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

better to learn than simply believe ;-)

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Because capitalism and other liberal ideologies are inherently exploitative.

>ideologically diverse

Smells like centrism

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is mostly communist, and that is very good

[–] Owell1984@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and as an anti-communist, I might have different views

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

And so we do not care. Orwell was a fascist, and we all know what that means.

[–] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A community of leftist privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers

I know you already mentioned this, but... should an online car community be concerned about the lack of cyclists on their forum?

[–] Owell1984@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

love the outlook of lemmy, I think the design is decent and simplistic. But one thing I can’t seem to get over is the fact that almost everyone here seem to think the same politically. Why do you guys think this is?? I know this is a community of leftists foss enthusiasts but I hope everyone here is aware that it is driving many people away from adapting it.

Hehe... good one. I understand that. But don't you think it would be a better place of some people from the right joined in here

[–] GayLegend@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Holy shit no, Jesus Christ, I like this place because I don't get called slurs. How could you possibly think that's even worth saying?

[–] j_ming@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

very diverse... got communist, anarchist, but everyone speak english

[–] j_ming@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

also, this has been broufht up b4 and is getting a rather dull

[–] j_ming@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

admin mark this as duplicate and close it

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't solve a problem by ignoring it.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

everyone being a communist or anarchist is not a problem

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

I see everyone being a communist as perfect K.O. victory.

[–] Gunther@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Ultimately, Lemmy is a Reddit clone and one problem with Reddit-like platforms is the upvote/downvote system heavily promotes groupthink since dissenting opinions are downvoted into oblivion while consensus opinions are promoted. Lemmy attempts to solve this problem by being open source, self-hostable, and federated (which are all great things), but these aspects alone can't totally solve the inherent groupthink problem, it just makes it easier for those with differing views to spin off and start their own instances, which will likely have their own groupthink.

As politically centrist myself, I've basically just unsubscribed from the political communities and focus on the more tech-related ones. If an apolitical or more centrist political Lemmy instance which federated with lemmy.ml was started there's a good chance I'd join.

[–] GayLegend@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, you're a capitalist? Show me your vast swaths of capital then

[–] Owell1984@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Do you have a warrant? :')

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

You have a lot of options. Reddit, Twitter, (far-)right Lemmy instances like bakchodi.org and wolfballs.

When I considered myself a communist (17 year old me) I thought opposing views really changed my mind.

When I was a 17 year old I was a complete pro USA centre-rightist that believed in heavily conservative Republican/Taliban views of women and who took pride in eating the new McDonalds burger on the menu. I believed in having a nice Instagram profile (which I never worked on) and believed Reddit was the frontpage encyclopedia of internet. I believed in a load of horseshit things like capitalism is a great thing for the world. Turns out, I am no longer 17, and we all change. Now I am a privacy advocate who also advocates critical thinking, attempts to bust lies wherever possible, and am far-left leaning, because I see the duopoly of liberal centrism and rightwing in a capitalist framework as the true cause of society's exploitation and downfall.