First time user here. I have heard of Mastodon, but never attempted to use it. I always was under the impression that it was sort of a Twitter alternative, and I've never had any interest in Twitter, Instagram, etc.
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Yes, it is. And I literally have no idea what Iβm doing or what the fediverse is or how to best utilize it and I have a mastodon account but donβt use it because all of this fediverse/instance stuff stresses me out and I just want a cool community to feel like Iβm a part of, not a bunch of stuff I donβt understand and I hope I can feel comfortable here with Lemmy. Oof.
Imagine there were multiple reddit websites. Reddit.com, reddit.org, reddit.social, etc. Doesn't matter what account you have, you can see communities/subreddits across anyone of them.
That's Lemmy.
When you make a lemmy account, it's more like an email address. You are evolone@lemmy.ml, I am cosmicsploogedrizzle@lemmy.ml. Someone else is joeblow@beehaw.org. We can all chat and post and have a good time no matter what website/instance we post to.
That's how users work on lemmy. Just like email. Communities on lemmy work the exact same way as users.
If all you're interested in is that, then you can stop there and fully enjoy your time with lemmy as a reddit replacement.
The future potential and complexity comes from the next part:
The fediverse is someone said, "hey, you know how people on reddit can't follow people on Twitter, or people on YouTube can't subscribe to subreddits, or people on Instagram can't leave YouTube comments? Well let's make it so you can.
Now this isn't perfectly implemented at the moment, and there are a lot of growing pains (it's kinda like the wild wild West), but you can make a mastodon account (like Twitter), and follow the this lemmy community !asklemmy@lemmy.ml on it, and you'll see all the posts and all the comments that you would otherwise see on lemmy, just in a twitter-like format.
It's not perfect and compatibility across these decentealized apps is not perfectly impremented atm, but in the future you could theoretically have one giant interconnected web where everything from "Twitter" to "reddit" to "YouTube" to "Instagram" to whatever fediverse equivalent app are all interwoven. And if any instance of them gets a big enough head to pull something like reddit is pulling, or what Twitter has been pulling, the community can just make a new "email" on a different instance/website and continue as of nothing changed. No single website/instance can abuse their power, because another instance can be spun up any time.
I'm about 24 hours into Lemmy and beyond bamboozled so thank you intensely for your ELI5 response: really helped. My key concern is who pays to keep all the lights on?
Depends where you go. Some servers ask for community funding, some are run by volunteers, and some I'm sure have probably found a way to monetise it, though I'm not sure how.
I'm not sure I understand the last part correctly. As I understand it, if a community behaves in a way the users don't like, we can just create a new community. The advantage of the federated nature is that it's not as painful as finding for example a whole reddit or twitter alternative because of how modular the fediverse is, right?
Edit: come to think of it, I have a second question and you seem to have this whole thing figured out. I've seen people say that they are on lemma as well as kbin to see which they like better ot which one grows better I guess. But does it really matter since the whole thing is interconnected anyways?
Thanks :-)
Iβd messed around with Mastodon, but Twitter was never my thing so it didnβt really stick. Lemmy is the first Fediverse thing that will likely see a lot of use from me.
This is my story as well. I follow a few accounts on Mastadon, but I find it much easier to connect with Lemmy. I joined Maston during the height of the Twitter crisis, and Lemmy earlier this week during the Reddit crisis.
Same thing here. Twitter has always sucked and has been intolerable the last few years. Lemmy feels like Reddit from back in the day.
I was never really into the idea of twitter and I really only lurk on a couple of people's twitter accounts but the idea of reddit is good for me because I can find a community of people who like similar things as me easily and see what's been popular. It's also a decent news feed on the side.
Yes... just signed up. I had never heard of Fediverse until 3 days ago. I spent the past 2 days reading up on it and bam, here I am. I remember a lot of chatter about mastodon after Elon stuck his head up his ass but didn't pay attention. I glad to see a lot of people here (smarter than me) are as confused as I am. This will be so fun to watch this evolve.
I agree that this will be a fun evolution to watch!
Tried Mastodon after Twitter fiasco, seemed like an okay experience, but in the end, it lacked what's most important about any such site: the people. A lot of people I followed on Twitter just didn't make the transition (some did), so after a while of not really seeing content I was used to see, I drifted away.
To be honest, I can imagine Lemmy could follow the same pattern (for me, personally, not in general). Even though it's off to a good start after I already found /r/patientgamers alternative here. Now I would love some equivalent of /r/soccer and I think I could make Lemmy my new home.
Back when the switch from Twitter to Mastodon was recommended I tried it but didn't really understand how it worked, didn't know how to get to the content I wanted and gave up. This is the first time after that
Lemmy's so new that I think a lot of people are still unsure how to curate their feed.
I tried Mastodon and really didn't care for it. It didn't translate quite as cleanly into the decentralized structure I felt. If I wanted to look up a famous person I had to know their instance, which felt like a really messy structure. Still, I have hope for it's future when they clean up a few of the less user friendly elements. Lemmy, I've loved. I think forums like this work way better in this decentralized way. Part of that comes from the fact that forums are anonymous anyways, unlike Twitter-esque social media platforms.
I used mastadon a but but never got hooked. Not because of the app but because the Twitter like format is only good if you have interesting people to follow.
I've always preferred the reddit style discussions.
Yes this is my first time and my first comment too :) Glad to be here
First time for me. I had heard about Mastodon when Elon first bought Twitter, but I never liked Twitter so I didn't look into it. I think it's okay so far. Kind of reminds me of old internet, which I miss.
I like it though the no central login is my biggest issue I think I have right now. What works for Reddit is that itβs really easy for a non-technical person to get in to it; Setup an account, login in, find, view, subscribe, post, and comment all in one place. With Lemmy/Fediverse there is a barrier with trying to explain it straight away e.g is it called Lemmy or Fediverse or Kbin etc
I get why itβs better, and I donβt know what a solution could be, but at the moment the simplicity of it in one place will keep Reddit a viable solution for a lot of people who would like it to βjust workβ
As an example hereβs a post from PrequelMemes
squabbles.io is a pretty good reddit alternative. I hear a lot of people suggesting lemmy and other federated options, but those are just confusing to me tbh. Squabbles works very similarly to reddit, so the transition should be painless.
And the reply
Thank you! Iβm heading to squabbles.io right now, based upon your description of it!
Like most other users here Iβve also taken a look around on Mastodon. But Iβm still new to the fediverse and getting used to the decentralized nature of all this.
This is also my first comment on Lemmy, hopefully of many more!
I got Mastodon and liked it well enough but I'm still getting used to it. Lenny, I'll admit, is super confusing, but I can see it's potential and I'm really excited to get more involved. In the 10+ years I've been on reddit, I think I've only posted or commented a handful of times. With Lemmy, I want to make more of an effort to participate.
I first used Mastodon but I was never one to really "get" or use Twitter either so I haven't actually used it much. This suits my needs far better.
Same, I got a mastodon account but never really used it. Reddit and now Lemmy is my shit.
Nope. I joined a couple big Mastodon instances, then started running a solo on DigitalOcean. It's a hobby. I'll probably give up the self-hosted and continue on a regular Calckey account.
Also played with Pixelfed, and before that all the way back to Matrix/Rocket... and pre-AP good ole diaspora*. Basically, anything but corporate social media. I just don't like it enough to deal with the bullshit.
I liked Reddit though, but haven't been on there for more than a year, now.
Lemmy seems pretty cool though. I'm interested in playing with the tech. Seems like a good way to take my Rust skills to the next level.
Just joined my first instance was kinda difficult but finally got my acceptance email excited for this platform and fuck you reddit
This is my second comment. Refugee from Reddit
This is my first dip into the fediverse.
I have no interest in a personal page like twitter or facebook / meta, so no plans for mastadon as well.
That said, can someone ELI5 the difference between Lemmy and Kbin?
Is there a reference for all the fediverse places outside of those mentioned above?
This is my first experience with fediverse, I had never even heard of it before. So far it's going okay, there are some things I wish were different or easier, but maybe that's just because it's new and feels clunky because I haven't figured it all out yet.
In general though I am enjoying Lemmy so far, it feels like being on internet message boards back in the old days (20-25 years ago)!
This is my first time using Fediverse accounts but I've always stayed away from other social media other than reddit due to privacy reasons.
I think Lemmy is cool but I will miss all the different communities and information I could find or did find on reddit, but I hope Lemmy grows into what reddit was and what it could have been.
But, yes, I have to admit I am a little heartbroken after about a decade.
I tried Mastodon a few years ago, but I just have no interest in the microblog format. Glad to see there's a threaded forum version now.
I've technically used Matrix, but I don't use it for much. This is my first main entry. I never cared about Mastodon that much because I don't Twitter. This Reddit nonsense, though..
Never heard of Lemmy or the Fediverse until recent times.
Yes, this is my first dip in.
Thus far it seems promising and near, but with a huge downfall of slow adoption/scale to where many instances are hosted in either un-scalable or unstable environments so some instances go down easily.
Apart from that, though, it's very reminiscent of Web1.0 and early Web2.0 and I like that a lot.
First time. I donβt know what Iβm doing but Iβm happy to be here.
Similar situation to some. I tried Mastodon first, but it seemed like more of a Twitter alternative since you follow personalities rather than topics. Been on Lemmy for a few days now and it's a definitely more in line with what I wanted
well, i tried mastodon for a week but quickly lost interest because i never was interested in twitter-esque services to begin with. lemmy on the other hand is quite more my thing because of many funni forum posts and links
Yes. Actually made this account today, and here are my first impressions: The learning curve is existent, and likely the largest problem with mass adoption. The way communities work is cool, but not easily explained to end users. But now that i see how it works, i like it better. Now we just need the content and community to thrive.
Yes and embarrassed to admit I didn't even know what a Fediverse was until yesterday.
This is my first time and frankly I'm a bit confused by everything but I'm willing to give it a try and learn o/
Yes, I had briefly heard of Mastodon but knew next to nothing about it, and Twitter never interested me so I ignored it. After using Lemmy for a week I have now signed up for Mastodon and PixelFed, massive potential with these.
I heard about the fediverse before, but never made an account until a few days ago. It is kinda cool how Mastodon, Lemmy, and Kbin can interconnect somewhat, but it does not feel like a fleshed out feature to me yet. There are still too many bugs when interfacing with other parts of the fediverse.
I like how maluable it feels right now. I really feel like if I dedicate a bit of time and effort I can make changes to and improve things. Or at the least break off and do my own thing that interacts with the fediverse.
I don't like how spread out and small all the communities feel. I think piracy has 5 different communities at this point. I am also torn on not having at least a centralized login. I kinda trust sh.itjust.works with my account, but there is little assurance that the instance, and my account on it, won't just disappear or attempt to do something malicious with my email and password.
I want Lemmy to take off and I think it has potential, but I also believe it will take at least another year before I am completely satisfied with it.
Not having a centralized login is a downside for me. Not a dealbreaker but I definitely donβt like it
I tried Mastodon before, but I never understood how to use Mastodon/Twitter. How am I supposed to find interesting posts? Should I follow... people? Who should I follow?
Oh...I think I just understood why I've always hated Twitter so much.
I haven't read your username yet, because I don't particularly care who you are (or anyone really), only what you say. And what you said was a good thing to say, so now I actually read your username to see if we run into each other later