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Updates about lemmynsfw.com

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Any critiques, desire for clarity, outright hatred, whatever have you. I will respond the best I can.

I know there's been some blowback on some of the policy updates but it's been difficult to really explain fully that the restrictive content policy is temporary, this community was very unmanaged for a time and it had to be reigned in somehow and with the limited tools at disposal the temporary policy changes were made.

Here's a comment that also explains a little bit behind the decisions made recently as well.

For community mods, we have a community mod coord matrix group chat now. Feel free to DM about it.

Also, there's another ongoing discussion regarding SFW communities on lemmyNSFW here.

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[–] fangorious@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would love to see the photon UI deployed.

[–] gavi@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100%, we will implement it when we can :)

[–] pm_me_ur_pussy@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

there seems to be an issue with blocking communities. i've blocked a number of communities containing content i'm not interested in but they recently started showing up in the Local feed, such as https://lemmynsfw.com/?dataType=Post&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=New

[–] BigMcLargeHuge@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

Earlier this evening I tried to make a post on the Genshin Impact NSFW community and while I was able to upload my image I couldn't make the post, I'd like send but nothing would happen. I left it for a couple of minutes, nothing. I tried remaking the post but same thing.

[–] Outset2568@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

One of my biggest gripes with Reddit as a platform is the overabundance of amateur models spamming every single subreddit with the exact same posts to shill their OnlyFans and Fansly profiles, even to the point of posting their content in irrelevant subreddits without consequence. It's at the point where the admins have all but abandoned the 10% rule for self-promotion.

Will you be implementing a policy to ban self-promotion for profit (and keep communities like Gonewild purely for exhibitionists), or at least encourage professional content creators to actually interact with the community and not astroturf LemmyNSFW with adverts for their OF like they've done with Reddit?

[–] Limeey@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's mostly up to the community moderators to determine whether or not they want that content and how they will police it. As long as it doesn't break site rules (new rules and clarification coming soon) then it's not really something we want to micromanage.

With that said, link spamming is def not ok. I'm open to suggestions on how we can build out the toolchain that can ensure a good quality of posts.

[–] shorty@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_hashing

Hash all the images in a separate table and make it searchable. It's a lot of work but it also makes dealing with DMCA much easier as you can automate removal of obvious infringements and illegal content that's spreading.

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[–] ResidentBloodBoner@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it, I really don't like that I'm able to see who reported my content. By not having the reporters be anonymous, it leaves a gateway for people to be harassed by others for making completely legitimate reports.

I'm not sure how likely it is that a case like this has happened already, but as the community grows, we're bound to see people who are here in bad faith.

[–] hwagoolio@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

Related to this subject -- when a post by a moderator is reported, it ends up going to back to the same moderator to decide on it... when they are most definitely not a neutral party when their own possibly underage flat-chested anime schoolgirl post is reported.

Moderator reports should go to an unrelated third party to adjudicate.

Otherwise, in practice, moderators just resolve all the reports they don't agree with.

[–] ayawnymouse@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get the reasoning, but I do feel that the rules are Way too strict on artwork (as opposed to pics/video of real people) to an unprecedented level. I'd like to see that reevaluated to be more in line with what other sites that allow NSFW permit - if they were facing legal trouble over that content, then they would ban it too, so I think it's pretty evident that they don't.

In particular this whole concept of establishing a "canon age" for every character and disallowing aged-up art strikes me as much worse than simply disallowing any art that looks underage.

[–] Suzaku@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd also like some clarity on how broad this goes.

Is captioned-in non-consent dialogue also prohibited? What about live action scenes with actors who are verified 18+ but have no curves and look young? Original art with unspecified age? Monster girls from species that don't even live to 18?

There's a lot there and it's above and beyond virtually anywhere else. If this is part of the idea of broad, temporary restrictions as an attempt to reduce the admin workload, really what it's going to do is create a lot of little fires to stamp out when the focus needs to be on the things that will get the site shut down the fastest (obviously illegal content and DMCA violations). Best to keep it simple, and simple is following established standards. Even if it means allowing content admins personally don't like.

[–] miaoshi3@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

I agree. These rules only increase moderator workload, which really only contributes to burnout when the moderation tools aren't good.

I'm having two issues with this instance while using a 3rd party app: Sync for Lemmy. Both issues are about blocking communities, and I don't think either are the app's fault.

Failing to record new community blocks

The Sync app fails to record a block when I use its "block community" button. This request either doesn't reach the server, or the server is mishandling it. I get no error in the app, but when I check my block list on the website, the block is not there. This feature works fine on other instances.

Failing to apply community blocks

When viewing the instance in Sync, none of my community blocks work at all! I have 68 blocks, and as far as I can tell, none of them are working. I verified 5 that definitely are not, but its hard to know if I'm not seeing a community because a block is working, or I just haven't scrolled far enough to see any posts in it.

On the other hand, when viewing the website, the blocks do prevent those communities from appearing in my feed. They just don't block them in the feed the Sync app receives from the API. Blocks on other instances work fine when that instance is viewed in Sync.

So it seems like there are two bugs regarding blocks at the API level.

[–] ersatz_one@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

Did you know that, at least from my experience, the password reset link is not functioning. I was logged out for some reason, and couldn't remember my password. Tried the "forgot password" with email address several times over a couple of days, never received an email. Fortunately, an extra neuron fired this morning and I remembered the password and was able to log in. :)

[–] between2boobies@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I would also like the option to disable downvotes in my community. Thank you.

Edit: I meant disable downvoting for posts only, not sure about comments. It's currently too easily to manipulate voting like it is on reddit.

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[–] VmI0Z8i1q6DJ@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is it possible to receive a notification when one of your posts get deleted? Along with the reason, when included?

I think this would be a good feature.

[–] unframed0851@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've noticed, that when viewed through pornlemmy.com, communities have redgifs previews, but on lemmynsfw.com they are just links. Compare https://pornlemmy.com/c/cumsluts and https://lemmynsfw.com/c/cumsluts@pornlemmy.com

(You need to open them in web browser)

Can this be fixed?

I am all for making sure for rules to be enforced, however...

I have been collecting images I like from the R site for however many years, and now, with a new site and community, I am ready to share the love.

I've started posting, but !tinytitties@lemmynsfw.com have been kind of unwelcoming. First, they asked for model consent on a post, which was promptly deleted anyway. No big deal, let's choose something that doesn't look like I want to share some revenge porn. Another one deleted, now I am banned for even subscribing.

The rules are not clearly specified. I've posted to some other communities with no problem, but there is no rule about having to provide source, consent, or OC name. This is something that has to be worked on a little.

[–] larsalexanderson@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure if this belongs here but...

Does every celebrity or porn star really need their own community?

Was browsing by new and almost every celebs post had a duplicate in the ultra specific community just for that one celeb.

[–] hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah... Noticed that. I don't like it, but that said won't it be up to the users to see what survives and takes root?

I'd rather they didn't exist, but at the same time the freedom of this kind of platform might be compromised if mods just start shutting down communities as they see fit.

I'm split 50/50 on this.

[–] pronpronpron@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

won’t it be up to the users to see what survives and takes root?

I would agree, but all these celeb communities is making lemmynsfw nigh-unusable for me. Right now, they make up well north of 90% of all communities on this instance, meaning the front page is devoid of any other content unless one uses subscribed-only view or blocks them all.

Being able to one-click block communities from the communities list would help a lot.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm dumb - Hadn't enabled 'Show NSFW' in settings. Still, I don't see why the celebs can't just all go in /c/celebs.

[–] Madness@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just made a post after discovering all the local communities. If you're interested you can check this post.

Still, I don’t see why the celebs can’t just all go in /c/celebs.

Then, the same logic is applied to other duplicate subject communities. Age, pussy, hentai, pornstar, asian, bdsm, tits, dick, cosplay, cum, femdom, freeuse, girls, hair, indian, nsfw, onlyfans, porn, sexy, sissy, tiktok, etc. All this subject has multiple communities not just one.

I'm sure as lemmy's grows also this instance (this instance barely one month, btw) we will have new features to take care of all of this and create users' the best experience. The fact maybe I started early and they growing/active fast, they will appear first when you explore communities.

I hope sorting communities will be available soon. I need that too

[–] pronpronpron@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the same logic is applied to other duplicate subject communities

Yeah, that's fair. I don't have a problem with specialized communities, and I agree that better filtering tools is the way to go.

Until those tools are available though, perhaps you could slow down a little on opening new communities? Take a look at the front page in logged out mode and you'll see what I mean.

[–] Madness@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

perhaps you could slow down a little on opening new communities? Take a look at the front page in logged-out mode and you’ll see what I mean.

Because a guest only sees SFW stuff. Mostly dominated by us that post Celebrities and do not necessarily mark communities as NSFW. Discovering local communities is now sorted by active users. If a lot of non-celebrities posters actively post/comment and their communities will get higher spots. Btw, it's only a few of us who post celebrities, I can say with all these communities I've only moderated approximately 10-15 posts/day. Maybe less, if me or @SushiMage@lemmynsfw.com doesn't contribute

[–] hwagoolio@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wanted to express that I'm extremely concerned about the banning of @paddedperson and the deletion of their thread saying that they were migrating away from lemmynsfw.

As far as I can tell, @paddedperson was banned for leaking preliminary information about upcoming content policy changes from the admin discussion group. In my view, they were legitimate concerns, and retaliatory action taken against him are very concerning with respect to treatment of whistleblowers.

Can admins comment on this incident?

Truly transparent non-profit organizations (e.g. Wikipedia) typically release meeting minutes (a summary or transcript), or allow the public to attend voting meetings as part of the audience. Can the admins provide a summary or transcript of the votes taken on various decisions?

[–] Limeey@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I'm not really an "admin" - I'm a sysadmin/developer who was given the role of admin so I can make sure all systems (including modlog, reportings, and other tools) work as we adjust them for this instance's very specific needs.

Padded got banned because he was trying to sabotage the efforts of an entirely volunteer group including revealing our hosting provider. We are not a "non profit organization" - lemmynsfw is a volunteer instance being run on donations. People need to understand that this is no one's "job" and yet it's literally taking a ton of our time. I've spent so many hours pouring over lemmy code, system configurations, working with the mod tool group, brainstorming, writing code, and trying to help the real admins where I can...

And seriously, no one is being paid for this, donations barely cover server costs, and any excess donations are being saved because it's anticipated that server costs will continue to rise while donations don't. Besides, I don't think any of us WANT to be paid for fear of reprisal from our respective governments for "making money" off serving pornography.

When the creator put out his call for help, a bunch of us stepped up to try to keep the server alive, but this is not an easy instance to run. Please understand that.

[–] hwagoolio@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To be clear, the volunteers/admins at Wikipedia are not paid either. From my personal experience in Wikimedia communities, my sincere advice is to consider and take transparency seriously.

The most important resource in volunteer spaces like this is 'trust'.

I hope you and the admin team recognize that in order to run a website like this, you also require the trust and buy-in from moderators (who are also unpaid) to invest the many hours into their communities just as you have done for the server. Hiding things from moderators, sending mixed messages, and making secret deliberations (with rumors that some admins are eager to remove large quantities of content) is really damaging for that relationship of trust.

The recent content policy changes (even before padded's leak) have been dictatorial top-down decrees. However, these unilateral rule changes are impractical/meaningless when moderators have not agreed to enforce those rules -- and I've personally experienced this (at best, only 30% of the content that I've reported for content policy violations have been addressed by moderators). Realistically, no moderator wants to enforce rules they don't believe in, and if they leave, the departure of skilled talent cripples this website and leaves communities effectively unmoderated in practice.

Please consider improving the transparency of these content policy deliberations, and at the very minimum, incorporate community moderators into the discussion and ascertain that they are in agreement with the rules before rolling out changes on the drop of a dime.

[–] Limeey@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's impossible to please everyone, tend to our jobs, and tend to our families and lives. Concessions will always be made. I don't know how wikipedia handles all that, but I don't see how we can do that.

There is a matrix channel for public lemmynsfw discourse, https://matrix.to/#/#lemmynsfw:matrix.org - there's not a lot of activity there but if you have questions or want a more direct line with us, that's where we are. We can make a mod specific room and invite folks to have a mod-centric discussion if you think that's helpful.

But please, please, PLEASE remember that everyone is volunteering their time, and respect for one another is the most important part of this entire process.

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[–] Hardcorexxx@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What should we use to post videos/gifs. It should be integrated in the site itself. No one likes to click a link and go to other site to watch a video/gifs.

[–] b9999998@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Try using imgchest for now as it expands inline and play (unlike redgifs links where you have to click into the post to be able to expand/play inline within Lemmy. Having to navigate back and forth between a post and back main listing page is effectively the same as having to go to redgifs site).

The downside is that imgchest only allows up to 30MB for video clips, so not quite the same quality level as redgifs - but you are also not hampered by redgifs' lame requirement to provide mandatory "tags").

Lensdump does not allow videos, afaik. [Addition] Lensdump is good for images, as when you retrieve the Embed image links for posting, you can choose normal or mid-res quality type url. Example

[Update July 9] with 0.18.1 update, redgifs links now can be expanded and played inline, so much better!

[–] bartimeo@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this instance shouldn't try to be federate with the other and accept the role of being the porn hub of Lemmy in wich people makes and account to enter (I did to have porn separated of memes and news).

This should aliviate the need to be so restrictive, specially the broad and ambiguous restrictions like the ones on "nom consent" for drawings in wich consent is... In the eye of the beholder so to speak.

[–] moonbat@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think all the people that want questionable content legally hosted to do it their damn selves and learn the consequences of that choice or shut the hell up.

This is the way. It doesn't matter how restrictive LemmyNSFW gets. You don't have to play by their rules. You can always set up your own instance and play by your own rules.

[–] SummerBarrymore@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please don’t allow communities to ban sellers. I think not allowing advertising in the community itself makes sense. I shouldn’t get excluded for having a fan site though! It’s incredibly entitled to expect girls to post nudity with no way to profit off of it. Give the good talent a reason to post on this platform 💘💘💘

[–] b9999998@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Give the good talent a reason to post on this platform

I totally agree with you. OC/seller talent is always welcomed at communities I moderate (with the exception of ones that are strictly studios/sites focused).

IMO, Reddit (and the subreddits I mod) benefited so much from the creative sellers.

[–] SummerBarrymore@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I appreciate that 💘 On Reddit, some mods banned me for having a link in my bio on my own page. That seemed over the top to me.

[–] pornonmain@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fully support your right to promote and make a living with your content. But there must be the possibility for people to create coms exclusively for exhibitionists that like to post for the thrill of it. These people has as much right to have a platform as you have. Mods are also literally working for free to keep coms safe, on topic and legal. Everyone should feel welcome on this site. (as long as they are following the rules and laws, of course) Let's find a way to exist well alongside each other. :)

[–] aseriesofdigits@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

I'll just chime in to say that while I have no problems with sellers (and all the amazing sex workers out there!), so many of these communities seem to be nearly overrun with people marketing content. I just want to be able to know when people are selling, and choose that kind of content, when it appeals to me.

Specifically, there's an entirely different feel to for-profit porn versus for-excitement porn, and I, for one, am hoping for a little more space being made specifically for people in it for the fun - I'm thinking like /r/NoFans and /r/normalnudes for example.

[–] b9999998@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've always advised OC sellers to stay away from those subreddits and mod teams that run those fiefdoms (and I'm sure the same division lines will emerge here on Lemmy).

There are/will be many other welcoming places where you will be appreciated. And you can always create new vibrant communities yourself)

[–] SummerBarrymore@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

That’s fair. I read your site rules and I appreciate the emphasis on consent. I guess it was alarming to me to see that as a growing trend on Reddit & Reddit culture

[–] hwagoolio@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 1 year ago

I feel like the admins are disproportionately biased against drawn/hentai artwork.

A lot of the gonewild communities here are allowing unverified reposted images, and I’d venture a random guess that maybe 30% of the content is posted without the model’s knowledge or permission, which poses issues with privacy/consent law (etc).

So why ban hentai scat/bestiality communities yet leave the actually illegal communities untouched? If the admins were as strict with IRL content as they were with hentai, all of these legally questionable communities should be “temporarily” banned until better moderation tools exist.

There’s clearly a double standard here that exists.

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