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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having billionaires just shows that taxes aren't high enough

[–] Torvum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Aren't properly bracketed* or properly incentivized for the less wealthy*.

Taxes at this moment are more than high enough for lower to middle class, but that's the class who can't spend millions in tax write offs through charity and 'expenses' or hire financial advisors and managers. Also the class who sees the least return on investment through federal tax usage despite making up the most of collection.

Make the government fear your anger again.

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Im not sure she’s worked 600x more so far in her 19 year career than the average American does in their entire lifetime.

Average American lifetime earnings: 1.7 million

1 billion is 588 times more than 1.7 million.

I don’t think we’re all equal, or that we all deserve equal wealth, but I think it’d be more just if our income was dependent on how hard we work, and not how the market values the type of work we do.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sorry, that's not good for me. Work means 100 different things and can't always be measured by "how much you do."

When the amount of money a person exceeds the benefit they can possibly receive is when society needs to intervene. Money is a social agreement and does not belong to any one person. If we had a cap it would disallow people to exploit others and would give more people opportunity to max out. There could be exceptions and permits for distribution purposes but otherwise if the cup never overflows it will never trickle down.

[–] catboss@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Both your points are valid.

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Paying by market value is inevitable in a functioning market economy, but we should balance it out with progressive taxes.

I bet she's worked 600x harder than Jeff Bezos

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Income being dependant on how hard we work instead of the type of work is a waste of resources though. The goal of economic systems is to allocate our limited resources to our unlimited desires as efficiently as possible.

Some usage of resources are more efficient than others. Capitalism says that peak efficiency can be reached by letting supply and demand dictate the price. Other systems have other methods.

Your proposed system values 1 hour of shoveling the same as 1 hour of moving ground with a specialized machine, which makes no sense since the latter produces much more value with the same amount of work. I'm also assuming that amount of work = hours spent doing that work, but how else would you measure it? Any other measuring system is as subjective as 1 hour of Taylor swift = 1800 hours of average american.

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

There's no way to gauge how hard people work.

[–] lillardfair@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Hard Times: Progressive White Women in Shambles After Taylor Swift Becomes Billionaire

https://thehardtimes.net/culture/progressive-white-women-in-shambles-after-taylor-swift-becomes-billionaire/

[–] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Good for her. She didn't mistreat thousands of warehouse employees or spy on and manipulate three generations with social media to do it.

I'm okay with her being the exception to the rule, as long as she doesn't turn into a monster.

It's not hard.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

You can't reach billion dollars without exploitation

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

She didn't mistreat thousands of warehouse employees or spy on and manipulate three generations with social media to do it.

Maybe, but most music industry jobs are kinda shit same as any other job. The people that help set up the stage, the people working on her makeup, costumes, the people working in the labels, cleanup crews after concerts, people doing marketing/promotion etc. they all contribute to her success. Sure it's overall probably a bit less exploitative than Amazon warehouses but exploitation still happens.

You don't make a billion dollars on your own.

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I'd be curious to hear an actual Marxist analysis of Swift's relationship to the means of production because it's clearly different than the owner of a company.

For one, Swift is actually a major contributor the production and is actually necessary unlike CEOs. She also doesn't have control of the stadiums that she performs at, so it's harder to say that she's profiting off of their surplus labor.

While it's true that she obviously couldn't do this stuff alone, I'd like to see an analysis sketched out for celebrities or prominent athletes in general.

[–] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Damn, lots of people made good points.

I guess I was just engaged in wishful thinking.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the flip side, who is benefitting from her billions, other than herself and her immediate family?

While billionaires are scum, a good chunk of their money is tied up in businesses that keep tens/hundreds of thousands of people worldwide employed.

I like Taylor Swift, but I don't know her well enough to know if she actually is the exception to the rule. None of us do. The real question is "what does she need $1b for?"

[–] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I mean, you also have a point.

I'm gonna side track a little, but it's actually super cool how many people we meet these days that are more class conscious. I feel like when I was younger people instantly idolized the rich for no good reason.

I forget what podcast was, maybe Cognitive Dissonance, but the hosts were talking about extreme wealth, and made an argument that maybe society should cap that shit. So, for example, if you make a billion and 300 million dollars a year, that 300 million automatically gets transferred to government social programs to help the community around you. It seems harsh at first, but when you stop to consider how much a billion dollars is, and how it's basically impossible to spend that much money, and just having that much money automatically generates millions more for you everyday, there's no point to having more than that. There is no thing you can buy that costs more than a billion dollars, unless you're buying up entire companies. Doing something like that would act as a breaking mechanism to prevent run away wealth disparity like we have now.

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine living on a planet with millions of people struggling day to day with bare essentials like food and water and also having people that own enough money help millions. Why is it ok to hort wealth while you could easily help a lot of people? Like dont get me wrong, Taylor Swift is a cool artist not doing anything considered wrong by society. I simply find it odd to see people literally starving or freezing to death outside in the winter while they could be helped and no one bats an eye.

[–] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Oh I think you totally have a point. Came across this post in the main feed. The moral thing for her to do would be spend a shit ton of that wealth helping people in need. I was just commenting about how it's nice for someone to end up rich without being a complete piece of crap to get there.

[–] Jelly_mcPB@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Hmm I bet she has her own clothing line.

[–] thenofootcanman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh no, I don't really follow her that much. Is there some horrible thing I don't know about? Man, I was just hoping for one semi decent celebrity.

[–] thenofootcanman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Its impossible to make that much money with out exploiting the labour of workers

[–] suckmyspez@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Oooft this is spicy 🍿

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I'm betting these comments are going to get spicy

[–] money_loo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, it’s true, people who love Taylor Swift, love Taylor Swift. I hope this wasn’t too confusing for you.

[–] charles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a swiftie posting in a swiftie community. 💅

[–] b00m@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

oh yeah? name all of her unreleased songs then! 🔫

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