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#Kbin update: (mstdn.social)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by feditips@mstdn.social to c/TodayILearned@kbin.social
 

#Kbin update:

- The https://kbin.social server is now federating with the Fediverse. You can follow/interact with kbin.social magazines & users from other Kbin servers, Mastodon & rest of the Fediverse. For example the TIL magazine is at @TodayILearned, the lead dev of Kbin is at @ernest

- There's a new Kbin server at https://readit.buzz which is run by the same people as the Universodon.com Mastodon server. It's open for signups, just click "log in" and then "register".

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[–] feditips@mstdn.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

p.s. If you are browsing a magazine, thread or account from Kbin (or anywhere else on the Fediverse!) and you want to interact with it somewhere else on the Fediverse but you can't find it by searching, here's how to make your server notice it:

  1. Go to Kbin in your web browser
  2. Copy the web address of what you want to interact with
  3. Paste that address into the search box on Mastodon (or any other Fediverse server type)

It will then appear on your own server where you can interact with it.

[–] feditips@mstdn.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

p.p.s. Several people asking in the thread about how to appear on the microblogging sections of Kbin magazines.

As far as I can tell, just include one of the magazine's listed tags in your posts on Mastodon etc. For example to appear on the Apple magazine's microblogging section include #apple or #iphone or one of the other tags as shown at on the right side of the screen at https://kbin.social/m/apple

Microblogging is a separate tab from Threads, you need a Kbin account to start a new thread.

[–] cazzztle@mastodon.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@feditips if #kbin is already able to post content to #Mastodon, it would be very cool if you could sign up to kbin via your Mastodon account. To me that just makes sense since both platforms already have functionality overlap.

I don't know how technically feasible that would be, just thinking aloud here. kbin already has log in with Google and Facebook accounts, so why not Mastodon ones too? If it's not feasible, nevermind. If it is, that would be very cool.

[–] feditips@mstdn.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@cazzztle

I'm not sure what you mean by "signing up to kbin"?

Your account on the Fediverse only works with the server you signed up on, but your server lets you communicate with accounts and groups on other servers.

It's like with email: you can't use a Gmail account to sign in on Yahoo Mail, but you can still send emails between Gmail and Yahoo Mail accounts.

I don't think Kbin has Google or FB login by the way?

[–] wholegroanoats@tacobelllabs.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@feditips @cazzztle that’s always been a confusing bit for me. I had initially thought “federation” included SSO functionality, but that’s incorrect. It would be nice, especially with the various services popping up that are based on ActivityPub, but that’s not how any of this was designed.

[–] cazzztle@mastodon.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@wholegroanoats @feditips I was hoping nobody would say that... 😭

Nevermind I guess. Maybe one day in the future that can be implemented

@cazzztle @feditips fwiw, matrix (federated chat) does let you set mastodon as an SSO provider, but I haven’t a clue about other services.

[–] vintprox@techhub.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@feditips

I gave #Kbin another try, took a less popular instance without Cloudflare, create a magazine with appropriate tags in settings.

When I go and make a post on Mastodon with one of those tags AND even mention the group where magazine resides (just in case), but nothing makes the post appear on Kbin.

You can imagine my disappointment, as I promoted the shit out of Kbin prematurely and how it's suppoed to fetch remote posts - NOPE, doesn't work. 🤔 😔

[–] pieceofthepie@social.n8e.dev 1 points 1 year ago

@vintprox @feditips I think @ernest may have mentioned it but it still follows normal federation rules. At least one account on the kbin instance must be following your mastodon account, otherwise mastodon won't send the posts to the kbin instance for it to put in the right place.

[–] feditips@mstdn.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ernest@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@feditips Hey, due to recent spam campaigns, untested features, and the lack possibility of quick fixes on the new infrastructure, the federation has been temporarily restricted. The federated instances are currently limited to kbin<->kbin and kbin<->lemmy. I didn't want to add extra work for other admins on platforms where groups are not well-supported. After the planned update at the end of September, groups will also be restored for other platforms, including Mastodon.

@TodayILearned @vintprox

[–] feditips@mstdn.social 1 points 1 year ago

@ernest @vintprox

Thank you for the info, that makes sense! 🙏

Good luck with the development on the update 👍

[–] vintprox@techhub.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@ernest @feditips

Oh, thank you, guys. That's a relief! 😅

[–] vintprox@techhub.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@ernest Will past microblog posts be federated automatically or we'll need to post again to appear on Kbin?

[–] ernest@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@vintprox @vintprox But wait... in essence, Mastodon posts should indeed appear on the microblog in the appropriate magazine (e.g. https://kbin.social/m/fediverse/microblog/newest). The condition is that someone from the kbin instance must be following your account (in the case of tagging). The limitation goes the other way (posts from kbin are not visible in Mastodon groups). Could you please provide links to the posts you're referring to? I will try to verify this today.

@TodayILearned @feditips

[–] vintprox@techhub.social 1 points 1 year ago

@ernest

Right, so, I have this issue where even if I follow magazine's group from Mastodon, it does not necessarily trigger anything on Kbin to make the Mastodon post appear in Microblog section.

Here is my magazine: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/drbboard/microblog/newest

And here is the post: https://techhub.social/@vintprox/111108832486309659

[–] midnitte@fosstodon.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@ernest any chance the NSFW setting will be respected for outside posts?

I just had a post from lemmy.world gone gonewild show up in my feed despite the hide NSFW setting

[–] ernest@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

@midnitte I'm working on a solution. It's one of the most urgent matters at the moment, sorry about that.

@TodayILearned @feditips

[–] sbrl@noc.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@feditips @ernest @TodayILearned Kbin, Lemmy, etc aren't making sense to me. Could you do a series of back to basics posts about how they work at all please? Apologies if you've already done so and I've missed them.

[–] elkaki@mastodon.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@feditips @ernest

I have a few questions in case anyone could answer, how does the federation work? If I go there through mastodon am I limited to commenting or can I upvote/downvote?

Lastly: how can I follow the instance or specific magazines?
In case it's relevant, I'm using fedilab so it allows me to follow multiple timelines, but I've been trying to follow https://kbin.social/m/PCGaming
And I just don't understand how to do it

[–] fynhv@friendica.opensocial.space 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@elkaki @feditips @ernest My guess is that you can comment and upvote, because “favs” from Mastodon should translate to “upvotes” in kbin. But since there is no “dislike”-button in Mastodon there is nothing that would translate to “downvote” in kbin, therefore you cannot downvote a kbin post via Mastodon.
However, there are fediverse platforms that have a dislike button, like for example friendica (which I am using). Dislikes from here may be translate to downvotes on kbin, but I haven’t tested this.

To you other question: you can follow the magazine by copying and pasting it’s url into the search field of your mastodon app. This way you find the magazine in mastodon are able to follow it.

[–] elkaki@mastodon.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@fynhv @feditips @ernest

Thanks for taking the time 👍

One thing, similar to what I said here https://mastodon.online/@elkaki/110548671107228739
Are you following the magazine as if it were a user instead of an instance? Wouldn't that completely fill your timeline since there is no algorithm and you would be shown all the posts?

@elkaki @feditips Yes, you would follow them like you’d follow a user or rather a group. There is already a thing like groups in the fediverse, like Guppe or Forums in Friendica which you could already follow before from mastodon.
But if kbin magazines in Mastodon behave the same as already existing groups then your guess is right, they would definitely flood your timeline, because every single post made in them would be shown to you. 😬
Mastodon doesn’t handle group-like content well right know, but they are working on improving this as far as I know.