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[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Technically, neither of the skills mentioned are necessary for the job of making unreasonable demands and berating workers for exercising their rights 🤷

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Managers that don't understand the task at hand are garbage.

Successful companies identify strong engineers and teach them to be members and directors.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Completely agreed on the first point, but unfortunately the latter isn't always the case.

It's become almost the norm for both individuals and companies to achieve ridiculous levels of success through abusive cunning in spite of a near-total lack of expertise and effort compared to competitors and coworkers.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

And, to be fair, successful engineers/whatever rarely want to be in management. They’ve identified they’re great at what they do and happy to continue doing it if the pay is right. A lot end up moving to management because the pay tends to be higher and then not being great and hating it.

Great managers are great at managing people and processes, not necessarily doing the processes. They understand human psychology to inspire, motivate, and bring teams together. That’s a rare find because that’s largely misunderstood, unfortunately. This is super frustrating because there are plenty of great books/seminars on how to identify and be great managers. The information is out there.

[–] sgharms@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Panel 4:

“But you inspire 6 people to work at peak capacity so that the team is as effective as 9 people, and they all say you give a shit about them, their growth, and doing the work that actually matters with guidance and appropriate comp adjustment. Be a manager.”

If you work with incompetent middle management, move. When you work for a great manager in a great team, you feel bulletproof.

[–] SquirrelX@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

I'm a manager, and this strip nicely brought out my main insecurities about the role. Thanks for pointing out that there are other things one may contribute with, despite losing (or never having) abilities in the three mentioned aspects. It's not easy to let go of depth, and exchange it for width and longer term thinking.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

If you work with incompetent middle management, move

Really wish this notion would die considering how fucking hard that is to do.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 16 points 11 months ago

I can respect a manager that can’t do these things, if they can delegate and choreograph people well. Sometimes being a good manager simply requires one to be able to corral and give support where needed. They can admit to not being capable of things and respect their reports that do those things well.

If they can’t do anything and just take a top down, demanding approach all the time, they’re useless.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 11 months ago

Where are their legs, who took them???

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Practice saying, "That's a terrific idea, but we're not going to do it.", twelve times.

Next, congratulations on completing my class on how to be a great manager.

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

also a lot of fun is if you can code, design and do business and are out of a job because no company has a job like this…

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

Well... in that case you should specialize in one of your 3 skills.

[–] pthaloblue@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago
[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

More meetings!

[–] DJKayDawg@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Fuck up, move up.