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[–] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

So THAT'S the secret to a dominant d...

Also for what it's worth sign stealing has always been an interesting topic for me. Let's say you as a player notice that every time the rb lines up somewhere the ball goes to him, so you start to play based on that. That seems fine to me. And let's say as a coach you notice a certain percent of their plays in previous games are in a certain package, so you gameplan for that. Again seems fine. But sign stealing is just a logical extension of those two things. I don't think I actually support sign stealing, but it's just curious that I can't actually criticize it.

[–] TheAndrewBrown@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

There are rules about attending practices in person or using electronic devices to aid in sign stealing. But if you just notice your opponent using a specific sign and it correlating certain plays or schemes, that’s just part of the game. It’s a team’s responsibility to obfuscate their signs, otherwise why use signs at all? If you weren’t allowed to see what the sideline is signaling to the players, just hold the play name up on a card, then you could save time teaching kids the signals.

I’m guessing the investigation is more to make sure they didn’t use one of the outlawed methods, and I’m willing to bet they didn’t and just got pretty good at figuring out signs. Or are just good enough that teams think that’s what they’re doing.

[–] EmiliaTheHero@possumpat.io 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Your first two examples open up more opportunities for outplays. The opposing team can recognize that you have picked up on their patterns and then run fake-out plays to catch you off guard. Sign stealing just allows you to know exactly what the other team is about to do and there is no opportunity for them to fake you out. (Other than switching to a new set of signs, but learning signs is boring for the players and not entertaining for the audience).

To equate it to poker: Your first two examples are similar to learning one of your opponents tells. If you start to exploit their tell, they can start faking it to force you to fold or place a bad bet. Sign stealing is like taking a peak at their cards

[–] QHC@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I don't see any material difference, signs can be changed easier than formations.

[–] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Actually a fantastic analogy. And like I said, I don't much care for sign stealing, I think there are better ways to more reliably put yourself in a position to win. I just think it's funny that we expect and even encourage the runner on second to watch the signs but as soon as it's somebody with a camera it's against the rules.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Stealing signs themselves isn't against rules, and is overblown. There was a pre-covid pro game where Tony Romo called basically every play as an announcer.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure the biggest secret to a dominant D is playing teams who's total wins are less than your own wins.

The sign stealing isn't necessarily the big thing, it's the illegal scouting of teams. This is like the 10th shady thing facing Harbaugh in the last few years, it's really starting to add up.

[–] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which, to continue playing devil's advocate, is kinda funny to me in the same way. Like yeah sure you can watch tape on somebody, but no way no how are you allowed to go watch them in person.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

No one ever accused the NCAA of having good rules...

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Guess Harbaugh telling the NCAA to fuck off about the hamburgers is having consequences.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Very real chance he walks after this season and the NCAA either punishes another school after the problem is gone, or nothing happens.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

Especially if Michigan wins it all.

[–] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Mizzou looking awful unpunished these days...