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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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Sam Altman's sister, Annie Altman, claims Sam has severely abused her (www.lesswrong.com)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by sue_me_please@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems

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I'm seeing a SBF-like trajectory for Altman here. He's building the foundation of his public persona and business on a house of cards that will come tumbling down at some point.

The only things that are sneer-worthy are the comments from LWers, like Roko, who jump to immediate dismissal of what seems like pretty compelling testimony and evidence towards fucked up things Altman did and continues to do to his own family.

To stick with the theme of this group, here's a sneer coming from inside the house in response to Roko's dismissal that was primarily based on his own feels:

Bayes can judge you now: your analysis is half-arsed, which is not a good look when discussing a matter as serious as this. All you’ve done is provide one misleading statistic.

I didn't post this to sneer, however. I think it's pretty important information that should be known.

edit: I should also mention that Annie has a Twitter account that she's posted some good takes, sneers and zingers on. I think she's worth a follow and can use some support, and she has some projects that can also use support.

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[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Roko's authoritative-toned "aktshually..." response to Annie's claims have me fuming. I don't know why. I mean I've known for years that this guy is a total boil on the ass of humanity. And yet he still manages to shock with the worst possible take on a topic -- even when the topic is sexual abuse of a child. If, like Roko, I were to play armchair psychiatrist, I'd diagnose him as a sociopath with psychopathic tendencies. But I'm not. So I won't.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 1 year ago

They do this every time, all sexual abuse accusations by people done against LW people is actually because the victims bad mental health. Even Scott Alexander pulled that a few abuse accusations ago (a quick mental count I think this is nr 4 at least). Which gets even more disgusting when you know that people with bad MH are more at risk of being abused not less.

And the whole shadowbanning shit could indeed be mistake, but considering who her brother is, and where he worked, his powerful friends, and her her status as a SW, it is not as delusional as Roko says here. (And that is before we go into how badly defined 'shadowbanning' even is, sure a case could be made Sam doesn't have hand in it and she is overreacting due to the other stuff, but that is quite different from Rokos 'well she is psychotic').

At least it seems that one of the voting systems is heavily downvoting Rokos posts.

[–] self@awful.systems 14 points 1 year ago

I didn’t post this to sneer, however. I think it’s pretty important information that should be known.

good call. this is a very important post that belongs here, but it’s definitely not sneering material. needless to say: fuck Sam Altman, and fuck Roko, the moderators of the orange site, and all the rest of the usual suspects playing defense for him