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If Ford fires workers, that’s a no from me on purchasing any vehicles from them in the future.
I’d rather pay a 2 thousand dollar premium on a new vehicle that’s union made than pay 2 thousand dollars less for a shoddy piece of crap made by inexperienced and overworked / underpaid workers.
I'd rather walk than ever buy another American vehicle anyhow, they're fucking trash. Japanese for the rest of my life, no looking back at years wasted on American garbage.
Ever since GM killed SAAB, I get Subaru. Admittedly, I currently own a Bolt, but the second Subaru makes an electric Impreza, I'm getting one.
I've had a couple of both country's vehicles over the years. Honestly, they've all been pretty good. I can certainly see myself boycotting American vehicles for the rest of my life depending on how this shakes out.
Hate to break it to you but Japanese work culture and abuse is significantly worse than the US.
Seems logical, I wonder what percentage of people share that opinion. For instance I would in general trust a package with UPS more than Fed Ex.
Exactly, I strongly prefer UPS as a delivery service (I can’t tell you the last time I intentionally used fedex). I actually trust USPS more than fedex, frankly.
EV's require fewer assembly steps. The unions want to transition losses on the assembly lines to new jobs at battery manufacturing ops the ev builders will make. EV builders don't want to have union shops at every level.
They'd rather dump the unnecessary people and hire non-union workers instead.
Follow the money.
That's a great idea in an economy with low unemployment let's fire everyone, surely the workers will be easily replaced.
And surely there won't be a drastic drop in quality when they hire too few workers who have no experience. This will mean delays and recalls on purchases.
It's Ford. How much lower can the quality go?
They could start pre-rusting the fenders!
Didn't the last company that tried this have to shut down factories due to scabs wrecking it thru lack of training?
EDIT: Yep, it was Kellog's & they totally lost that battle.
Would be a shame if some "scabs" "without training" "accidentally" destroyed the factory
Sometimes I can be so "clumsy" with my bags of sand and metal filings around expensive machinery. Can't break tradition though. Gotta always have my bags of lucky dust.
Institutionalknowledgesayswhat?
Ford: We got the cash but we'd rather shoot ourselves in the foot and cut off a leg. Those MBA jerks running the companies are morons.
I legitimately believe, in my heart of hearts, that people will business degrees more than anyone else have ruined this world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Welch
That one in particular, in my estimation.
Yes what a bastard. Destroyed the silent agreement between management and workers and inevitably the middle class one day
Couldn't agree more. This man has done so much damage to humanity and the Earth.
Let me start by saying i agree with you. I'd like to add that nowhere in my academic journey through a state accredited business college did they teach us that the goal of business is to screw workers. That shit is taught by sociopaths to other sociopaths in the corporate world. Fuck em all.
I dunno man, I had a management professor raise an argument that a publicly traded business had only one function, and that was to provide value to its shareholders. Anything else, such as charitable donations, could be considered stealing from its shareholders - unless it provided a return on investment (e.g. a charitable donation provided good PR which caused more people to buy your product).
I don't think the professor truly believed the argument he was making, but more presenting it as a "this is how many successful businesses operate and how they justify it".
It's actually Supreme Court precedent that will allow shareholders to sue if a public company doesn't choose the most profitable way of doing business.
So in a public corporation, they have to choose the most evil way of doing business.
That's not the case and it's definitely not so simple; here's a short read on why:
Interesting read, I definitely held the opposite opinion previously. No idea where I first heard it, but it's one of these "easy to grasp, difficult to let go" ideas.
See also "alpha males", which is also total BS, but often repeated.
Good on the workers! Solidarity with the people! ✊
"If there was hope, it must lie in the Proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated."
Sounds like the UAW is going to declare a full strike across all unionized Ford plants.
Watch me predict the future... "Consumer Reports cites high recall and defect incidence in 2025-2030 model Ford vehicles."
It is illegal under federal law to fire workers for striking. Mass layoffs like this were likely already something they were planning and they're just using the strike as an excuse to make it seem less like it's just the naked corporate greed that it really is.
Bryce Currie, Ford's vice president of manufacturing in the Americas, said the company anticipates nine of those 13 plants will have to lay off as many as 4,600 workers in total over the coming weeks, with the first layoffs happening in a matter of days.
"I want to stress, this will be a prolonged impact. Even if the strike is short-lived, it will have a prolonged impact, because bringing a plant back up is much more intensive than putting it down," Currie explained in an Oct. 12 media call.
Kentucky Truck makes F-series Super Duty pickups as well as Ford Expedition SUVs and Lincoln Navigator SUVs. It generates $25 billion in annual revenue, or 16% of Ford's annual global revenue, and produces a vehicle every 37 seconds.
Sounds like the VP understands that this is going to cost them a large amount. Also sounds like he isn't 100% on board with it, but time and actions will tell.
I wouldn't be either, There is no way they are going to be able to replace 5,000 auto workers easily. Anyone who has ever taking their car to a mechanic will know what I mean.
The corpus would rather cut off its arm than provide it with enough bloodflow to keep it healthy.
I support the protests and UAW but I don't see in the article that suggests Ford is moving to fire these workers. Perhaps I missed it?
the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
I know most people can't afford a vehicle right now, but if you can, consider not buying a Ford.
Please forgive my ignorance here. I absolutely support folks fighting for better pay and benefits, but why on earth did they refuse this?
The company’s Oct. 3 offer featured:
- Product commitments for every UAW plant in America
- No job losses due to electric vehicle battery plants
- Profit sharing among all employees
- A full ratification bonus
- 26% pay increase for all temporary employees
- Conversion of all temporary employees with at least three months of service to permanent status
- More than 20% pay increase for permanent employees
- Inflation protection in cost-of-living allowances
- End to tiered pay so all employees can reach the top wage rate
- A reduction (in half) of the time it takes to earn the top wage
- Income protection for permanent employees
- Increased 401(k) contributions for permanent employees
- Up to five weeks paid vacation, an average of 17 paid holidays per year and two family days.
Every single one of those bullet points sounds like a pretty massive win, even individually, then you combine them all together and it's the best benefit plan I've ever even heard of in the US. Granted, I am not a benefits manager and never have been, so I suppose I don't know what is generally available in the US. But many of those individual benefits are leagues above anything I've ever seen.
EDIT: I read the article rather than the post. So I assume the above points are not being given to plants planning to be built?
Yeah, near the end of the article they mention that the union won't agree until the new battery plants will also be included in this CA.
I've already said fuck Ford as they made their vehicles harder to work on yourself. Fuck each and every auto company. We should be past electric vehicles and using magnetic propulsion, but they have to make sure their profits aren't negatively affected.