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Finally, someone from the Greens pointing out the elephant in the room. All the protests that have occurred regarding climate change have achieved nothing. The only time anything changes in the UK is when it affects votes. Protests do not affect enough votes to matter. FPTP voting systems are just another form of self harm. A majority of people vote for what they do not want, rather than what they desire.

Most want Net Zero to be a thing. Most are willing to make sacrifices for it. This is why Labour are seeing it as a platform they should embrace. Most want NZ because of the evidence we can see that is very stark and frightening. This is not an opinion developed because they saw protests which annoyed them.

There is a reason why fossil fuel companies pump so much money into Tory election campaigns. FPTP is easily corrupted by expensive campaigns. We will never stop money from trying to con turkeys that Christmas is great to look forward to, but by making every vote count for things we want, will make them have to work so much harder at the con.

The other obvious argument is that FPTP enabled the most fascist government the UK has seen since the Victorian era (IMO). The Tories would not happen under a PR system. We really need PR to prevent these sort of people taking power again. If Starmer persists with this approach of rejecting PR reform, then he is showing he wants to promote his own power over the wellbeing of the UK.

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[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But how do we get to a point where it can be implemented?

[–] Rogue 6 points 1 year ago

By pressuring Labour to support proportional representation. Without PR we're stuck in a two party system bouncing between Labour and the Conservatives.

Except as the left is divided we end up in and endless Succession of Conservative governments whose only progressiveness is in being worse than the preceeding leader.

[–] Syldon 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://labourforelectoralreform.org.uk/ You could donate here. They are group within the Labour pushing for this.

READ the donation page if you decide to do this.

Thanks once again. And finally.... please DON'T check the gift aid box.... LCER is not a registered charity!

For the mods, I am not affiliated to this group, neither am I a Labour party member.

I have sent an email requesting some extra information (quotes below) before I donate. If anyone requests the outcome of that I can post it here.

Can you tell me why you have not applied for charity status?

And will there be a breakdown of how the fund has been used on a regular basis?

I was not aware I could make donation to support this without being a Labour supporter directly. I will not become a Labour member while Starmer actively reject FPTP.