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[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Eventually we won’t trust people to make any decisions at all.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 0 points 1 year ago

Good.

Right turn on red is notoriously dangerous and deadly.

Any sources I've seen to the contrary are from the very same departments that argue it must be legal because 'freedom' and 'it's not that many deaths'.

Both of which are non-arguments.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wtf? Why is that even allowed in the US? Never seen that in the EU or any other country I've driven a car in. Red is red, it's like an impenetrable wall. No passing under no circumstance. Simple, easy, safe, everyone knows.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You aren’t pulling across lanes of traffic when you turn right, it isn’t allowed in areas where you can’t see, and you still have to come to a full stop like a stop sign. If you aren’t competent enough to come to a stop, look for a car, and turn right, then you aren’t competent enough to have a drivers license. It is a simple maneuver that is safely accomplished by thousands to millions of drivers every day.

And if you really want to compare dangerous driving scenarios, you have to look no further than the idea of a roundabout to see how people are capable of relatively difficult merging maneuvers without a significant issue. As an American, I’d much rather turn right on red than enter a roundabout any day because it is a hell of a lot easier to do safely.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, OK. So how do you judge if you can or can't see the corner safely? Is that your own judgment? Or does every red light have a sign saying you can or cannot make a right? Genuinely curious.

I agree you can safely make a right turn on a red light depending on the local situation, it just sounds like it would be filled with exceptions for safety reasons. Hence the "don't cross a red light ever" feels much simpler and safer?

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a sign that says “no right on red” when you aren’t allowed to do it. It really isn’t very complicated.

There are even turns that will have a special cut through at the corner on the right side to make it easier to do, especially in situations where a large number of cars will be wanting to turn right.

I know it sounds potentially dangerous when described, but it really is a very simple driving maneuver to accomplish in practice.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Fair enough :)