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The former vice president called out Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswamy by name.

Former Vice President Mike Pence tore into Donald Trump and pointed to isolationism in the Republican Party as complicit in the sweeping Hamas attack on Israel, decrying American “retreat on the world stage.”

In a scathing rebuke, Pence faulted “voices of appeasement like Donald Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy and Ron DeSantis that I believe have run contrary to the tradition in our party that America is the leader of the free world.”

Pence’s comments in Iowa represented the first ripple in the Republican primary from the violence that erupted on Saturday — and effectively threw down a challenge to Republicans he said have “embraced the language of isolationism and appeasement.”

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[–] david 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bold. I guess being left to die in am armed insurrection stings a little.

[–] potterpockets@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

Eh. Not so surprising that a Dominionist wants to defend Israel. But if he wants to leverage US strength for security then some measure of that has to also be used to restrain Israel from inciting Hamas/Palestine with things like illegal settlements

[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

He had plenty of chance to speak out against that and flailed, at best.

Interesting to see him get more upset about Israel being attacked than Trump’s supporters wanting him dead.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Nothing gets evangelicals more United than defending Israel, not because of the people of course, but the land. Evangelicals think all the Jews are going to hell and the evangelicals are the true people of God who will inherit Israel. That's why they defend Israel so much, not cause they care about human lives

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To me this makes perfect sense.

He realizes the GOP is scattered rn and he tries to jump on a new train of identity in the hopes his views are strong enough to rally GOP voters behind his movement. It's just an opportunity to get into a leading role.

Attacking Trump also further consolidates his ideals and puts more pressure on Trump in the hopes he'll just cave and take the dissenting voices in the party with him.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

My guess is that the evangelical base will continue to side with isolationists and we will finally have proof that they never gave a shit in the first place. They were being willfully manipulated by their puppet masters. I mean, we already knew that but there's the final nail in the coffin.

[–] Binthinkin@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t get it twisted, Evangelicals are racists by nature, this dude supports Israel but in the “Jesus will return when the Jews suffer” type of way.

Real weirdo shit. These people run stuff. That’s crazy.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Faith in the divine is a socially acceptable mental illness that alleviates anxiety/fear over death and the unknown in many and which can be used to bypass logical reasoning and to justify literally anything. Others have learned to exploit this illness in others for their own benefit.

The whole thing is a cognitive dissonance blocking form of insanity that can be exploited by anyone who isn't afflicted by it while simultaneously sociopathic, unscrupulous, or amoral enough for any purpose imaginable.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

100% agreed. The worst part is I'd pick Pence over Trump every time. That's so depressing.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t recognize the type of thing I’m seeing