It's actually not just South America, many other countries, including "first world" nations, let in thousands of Nazis as well
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Canada seems to be having a moment with this one. Standing ovation for an open Waffen-SS veteran in parliament was a bad look...
Tl:dr for those who don't know: the Canadian House Speaker invited, alongside Zenlenskyi, Yaroslav Hunka to the parliament, which prompted a standing ovation. Sounds like nobody vetted him, as it turns out he's, as you mentioned, a veteran of the 1st Galizien (volunteer division lol).
I can't believe the guy showed up. He could be deported. Oh well. 🤷♂️
In 1950, Britain appealed to Commonwealth countries to admit them. Canada agreed to take 2,000, after being assured that their backgrounds had been checked and that they were cleared of complicity in war crimes.
But according to recently released British documents and interviews with officials who conducted the investigations, they were not screened, partly because none of the interrogators spoke their language, Littman said.
Fucking typical lazy arsed British effort.
well, the US government brought all the Nazi scientists over to form NASA, hello Werner Von Braun. the US also imported high SS officers to form the CIA. the powerful gonna power…
And the Soviets took twice as many, but they didn't seem as happy for some reason.
I've got a lovely German style beer stein that was "handcrafted in Brazil," in 1978.
Now why would there be a bunch of nostalgic Germans in Brazil in the '70s? Hmm...
tbh many fled to South Anerica because there were many German immigrants already there, meaning the Nazis didn't stand out.
Also a lot of Jews fleeing the Nazis ended up in South America. My grandparents, for example.
There is some fairly creepy lost history around all that. Lots of documentaries and such have mentioned it over the years. It's a pretty interesting rabbit hole. I'm sure at this point there is also plenty of conjecture, but more than enough is true to be damn creepy.
Here's one such thing -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_Dignidad
https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/sinister-sect-colonia-dignidad/
And another:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/quiet-alpine-town-argentina-housed-10664788
What's some good documentaries?
"Hotel Terminus: The Life and Times of Klaus Barbie" is an excellent documentary. It's about Klaus Barbie, the "Butcher of Lyon," who was a Gestapo captain in Vichy France and who later fled to Bolivia, where he lived until he was hunted down and put on trial in the 1980s.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Terminus:_The_Life_and_Times_of_Klaus_Barbie
Depends on your definition of good. I like fun documentaries, even if I roll my eyes at some of the sensationalism. I just like seeing what they find, whether I can fully buy their hypothesis or not. All that disclaimer is to sort of apologize for this one, which is fun and interesting, but very, very melodramatic in its presentation. 😁
https://www.history.com/shows/hunting-hitler
I know I've seen others, and side-mentions in many, but that's the one that comes to mind most easily. I think there's a lot online also at various sites.
The open Nazis went to South America, the quiet ones were absorbed into the US government, and the Ukrainian Nazis went to Canada
And the scientists the Americans didn't get went to Russia. The space race was a Nazi science competition.
Hey, don't shame that tankie for not understanding the reality of their history! They've been propagandized since they were merely zygotes. Feel bad for 'em.
My tankometor is flashing
Does your tankometor go off every time someone brings up US history that discomfits you?
Username checks out
Mengele trucks, probably a coincidence…
No actually, Josef's family business was making tractors. If you want to hear more about it, I'd recommend the Behind The Bastards Podcast episode about him.
I work with a Brazilian of German descent. The subject of lavosh came up the other day. They gave us a confused look. Wondering why we would want pig slop. Turns out on the farm they were raised that's what they called pig slop. And as far as anyone could find out it's not actually a Portuguese word. Just casual generational antisemitism.🤷♂️ Though once we figured it all out we had a bit of a laugh. Since it wasn't intentional and only a misunderstanding. But yeah, some of the rural parts of Brazil would be bad for most foreigners. Just way worse if you're Jewish. Over which we bonded some because it's a lot like the US.
And as far as anyone could find out it's not actually a Portuguese word. Just casual generational antisemitism.🤷♂️
Maybe it sounds like "lavagem", which actually means pig slop. Basically food or food scraps that spoiled or that's about to spoil and fed to pigs.
That would have been a possibility. But they described it as being spelled exactly lavosh. So it's a play on words/meanings at some level.
But they described it as being spelled exactly lavosh.
Odd, in portuguese lavosh is written as lavash. Did they spell it phonetically or letter by letter?
I think we don't have enough jews to feed it
Every post I've seen on Lemmy TIL
You don't know what you don't know
Why does he look like Mr Bruce from The Correspondents
This is the reason why there are a lot of blonde-haired and blue-eyed people in Brazil. Gisele Bündchen for example (not the best example, but the first that came to mind), clearly a German last name, yet she's Brazilian.
Confidently incorrect.
This was in another moment, a lot of Germans and Italians came to Brazil after the slavery abolition years before the first WW as immigrants in an attempt of the Brazilian crown to make the white population proportionally bigger.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0RdwRaWYAA9a2Q.jpg
The US internationalised nazism, not defeat it.
A German chancellor was a Nazi. Young Germans in the sixties didn't stand for it though
https://www.dw.com/en/the-nazi-hunters-how-a-slap-in-the-face-brought-about-justice/a-57464177
There’s much more. Read or watch some videos on the Gehlen Organisation. It literally is the direct precursor of the current German central intelligence agency. That might be a good start.
But also just read the wiki articles I shared to the other fucker who responded to me. And think of all the shit that’s not on Wikipedia cause it’s not allowed…
Source of this photo?
Literally on these people’s Wikipedia pages it says all that. Whitewashed liberal cesspit Wikipedia. Just go search for yourself Jesus….
Chill bro
this all appears to be false. I am also finding it difficult to find the positions mentioned to verify this post.
Ffs it’s on fucking Wikipedia (famously a whitewashed cesspit):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger - under “Postwar”: “In April 1961, he was appointed Chairman of the NATO Military Committee[5] in Washington, DC, where he served until 1964 when he retired”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Steinhoff - FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE: “Johannes "Macky" Steinhoff (15 September 1913 – 21 February 1994) was a Luftwaffe fighter ace during World War II, German general, and NATO official.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Speidel - Again, first paragraph: “(…) a major figure in German rearmament, integration into NATO”.
And my favourite, not in the photo, but the FUCKING FOUNDER OF THE CURRENT INTELLIGENCE AGENCY OF GERMANY: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen - THE NAZI ASSASSIN HIMSELF.
You barely did any research and you come saying ALL appears to be false? When EVERYTHING about the picture is true? Get the fuck out of here. You either are an ill-intentioned Nazi or you are ignorant and proud of it.
My bad I can admit when I'm wrong. thanks for providing everyone with the links. Not a nazi just made a mistake.
I was mostly struggling with the commander in chief of NATO ground forces in Central Europe. it's difficult to find a list of all the holders
Sorry for getting heated. But this to me must be what qanon chuds feel like when they “learn” the world is controlled by pedophilic vampires.
But this is actually real.
The US and NATO literally internationalised Nazism.
Nazism’s main inspiration was the USA. Manifest Destiny is Lebensraum, racial segregation are the Jewish ghettos, the holocaust is the indigenous genocide. Aryan supremacy and the breeding programs are American eugenics. Hitler even says as much.
And the US saw all that and thought “damn, that’s too on the nose. But those guys are good. Let’s take all of them and hide them around the world and learn as much as we can!”.
Then after WW2 you get the Indonesian politicide of over 1 million people (a political genocide). You get dozens of millions killed in military invasions by the US in Vietnam and Korea.
The “stay-behind” fascist organisations in Europe, in Greece, Turkey, Italy etc. killed thousands of anarchists and communists and kept the pre-war status quo under a more American “hidden” fascism (read on Operation Gladio, P2, Organisation Gehlen etc etc etc.).
And yea, it might be hard to find some sources on all this. Because this all was secret, by the CIA or black orgs. But still, you CAN find a lot. At least to paint the big picture.
Which is: fascism is the modern name for European colonial ideology. It was epitomised and perfected in the USA, and it came into conflicts with communism in Europe. The USSR was clearly steamrolling Germany, so the US had to interfere to stop the USSR from reaching London. After WW2, the European colonial ideology (fascism) simply returned to its pre-war state and continued to grow under the guidance of the US. The US managed to dismantle most of its enemies, and “won history” in the 90s. Now we basically live in this neoliberal fascistic hellhole people call “late stage capitalism”, where millions of black and brown people die of starvation while breaking their backs hauling the resources needed to keep the middle class of the Imperial Core pacified and happy.
Things are falling apart again, because capitalism can’t sustain itself, so the extreme right is rising again, certainly with the help of the same CIA and black orgs as before, to ensure a leftist (anti-capitalist, socialist) revolution never happens again.