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Working in food sucks in general. I would know I've been doing it for almost 14 years now. You drive to the store. You enter the store. You order your food. If there are any complications with your order you're told right then and there.

But I'll never forget the day my job introduced mobile ordering. It immediately made everything worse in almost every way. Customers ordering shit we ran out of, shit we no longer offer, setting the pickup time 5 minutes after placing the order then getting mad when it's not done on time. All this while we can't communicate with the customer at all until they arrive to find the order incomplete because we couldn't contact them to figure out what they wanted to do.

Then door dash became a thing and all those exact problems became even worse. It slows down the entire store to the point of disrupting the customers who came in to order.

Why the fuck would you go through a third party system to obtain food when you can just go get the fucking food

Basically if you use mobile ordering or a delivery service you're a big part of why food service has done nothing but get harder and more frustrating. And I do hold it against you.

Edit: I don't think lemmy understands how unpopularopinion is supposed to work...

Edit 2: Considering how many people clearly disagree with me and seeing how few upvotes this post has gotten, lemmy clearly has no idea how unpopularopinion works.

Glad to know the Reddit custom of ignoring that still lives on.

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[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

15% of the world self-identifies as having a disability. The most common category of disability is mobility-related. E.g "going to the and entering the store" may not be as easy as it is for you, or even impossible. Even if you don't have a mobility problem and can do that just fine, for other people "ordering and dealing with complications" is a lot harder if you have trouble hearing, or have facial paralysis and can't speak, or even if you just don't speak the local language fluently. There are a million reasons that might make the simple task of getting food impossible for a person, and there's way more people out there who experience things like this than you might guess.

Maybe you simply never saw these people in person previously, because they weren't able to order from you at all. Maybe you just assumed your customers didn't have a disability because they didn't say so. You have no idea how many people ordering from you have disabilities. You can't know. Assume it's one out of every 4 people you meet if you live somewhere poorer, because that's realistic.

When mobile ordering went online, it meant that so many more people were able to choose what to eat, which meant more business for restaurants, which meant restaurants needed to staff their restaurant sufficiently, or upgrade tools. They don't just get to enjoy the extra profits for nothing.

And yet your frustration is directed at the people who are just trying to eat. I would like to offer you a reframing of this situation and suggest that your problem is not with customers at all.

Customers ordering shit we ran out of

People can't be expected to know a restaurant's stock inventory. The responsibility is on the business to communicate that to the customers. Some restaurant's make the cashiers say it in person to every single customer. Some restaurants erase them from displayed menus in the store. These days, restaurants can just tick the box "unavailable" in an app to let all future and present customers know immediately. It can even be scheduled, or automatically respond to events like "removing the last pack of an ingredient from the fridge". These options all exist already, your employers need to figure out how to use them properly, or the software they use needs to add these features, or they can just not accept online orders when the restaurant is too busy. Your beef is with management or the order service companies they use.

shit we no longer offer

Same deal, but an even worse look for your management for not ensuring they tell their delivery services that something is permanently gone. Your beef is with management or the services they use.

setting the pickup time 5 minutes after placing the order then getting mad when it’s not done on time.

Still a software and management problem. They need to be able to set minimum waiting times, and management needs to update them if they know the restaurant is too busy. Your beef is with management or the services they use.

All this while we can’t communicate with the customer at all until they arrive to find the order incomplete because we couldn’t contact them to figure out what they wanted to do.

I have ordered online and later received an automated notification when the restaurant has had to extend waiting times unexpectedly.

I have also ordered online and then had a restaurant send an automated notification that a specific item went out of stock after I ordered and asked me to choose an alternative item or just leave it off the order. It also automatically recalculated my payment when I decided to leave it off. No in-person interaction required.

These features all already exist. It's up to the managers of the restaurant to use them and to take the burden off the people they manage. It's up to the owner to only use companies which provide useful tools that don't harm their employees and customers. It's up to the software companies to put features in which don't harm customers and restaurants.

Your beef is with management or the services they use. You are misdirecting your frustration at the only people in the situation with the most reasonable time-sensitive important problem out of everyone involved. None of the problems you listed are the customer's fault, they have no idea how your workplace runs or what is normal for them.

Start a union instead of blaming people for ordering food and you might not have to experience years more of the same.

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[–] corship@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I like your unpopular opinion, here is my take on it:

Don't fucking offer mobile ordering of it's such an inconvenience. It's not like you're forced to offer it.

[–] Oneeightnine 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair (and again I can only speak to the UK here so maybe it's different in the US). If a takeaway place isn't on these sorts of services, then they're going to miss out on an awful lot of custom.

[–] corship@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But this is directly contradictory to the statement of op saying offering it actually grinds the operations to a halt resulting in LESS customers being served?

[–] Oneeightnine 2 points 1 year ago

Customers don't see that though. They just assume their food is late and decide to use a different restaurant next time, or just wait a bit longer.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago

The Korean fast food place close my house doesn't have their own delivery driver anymore, it was fired. Now you have to go there (no problem for me because is a 3 minutes walk) or use one the third party apps.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Actually some third party companies will list businesses even if the business doesn't offer delivery, so long as they have online ordering. The only solution would be to not allow take out of any kind.

[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't drive and live a bit from the city centre; I try not to do it often as I'm a poor, but occasionally order takeaway.

Once I rang a store to ask why certain items from a deal were missing and they said they were not running such a deal and were very fed up with people requesting it. Seems the site (might've been justeat but was a while and memory is fallible) had inserted a deal where none existed.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, spot on. There was a local pizza pub I used to frequent that would always get upset because door dash and grub hub would add their business without permission. The place offered delivery (pizza duh), but hated third party delivery because it took business away from their drivers (you kinda want a critical mass of business to justify having delivery) and they often had customers call in to complain that their order/deal/special was wrong. I remember the manager would look on delivery sites each week and call any that had listed the business without their permission.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except we are. The people in the store have no control on what corporate tells us to do.

Unless you own the store you have no say on whatever bs they decided to dump on us. Unless you decide to just quit but you'll just end up at a different store with the exact same mobile/delivery bullshit

[–] corship@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please help me understand. What's in your opinion the reason why a competitive disadvantage would be this widespread?

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not the person you replied to, but there is a sit down burger bar near me that I quite enjoy. This place is popular with third party deliveries. I like to go, sit at the bar, and have a burger and beers. I stopped going to the place because every time I go the bar is full of delivery drivers waiting on food to be ready for delivery. We're talking probably 20 orders per hour. I don't so much mind the delivery people, but they come and go so frequently, they often lurk about because they want to get going, and they distract the bartender so she can't do her job well.

The business is making more money by having more sales, but the impact on the dine in experience is so terrible that their delivery gains are likely muted by the loss of dine in business. The only thing corporate sees at the end of the day is that there were more sales transactions which means they made more money, they don't see the business they lost by having a poor dine in experience.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Because the companies are still making money off it because even though it's a complete shit show customers still use it.

It boils down to the customers which is why this was directed at them. If you use these services you're the sole reason they still exist.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Unless he owns the company in not sure he has a choice.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

These things are an absolute godsend for the disabled.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also those of us with crippling anxiety issues.

I don't, however, like the added fees or how they screw over the people who do the work. I try and avoid using gig-type delivery services, and prefer the regular kind that existed long before Uber and DoorDash. Like a pizza or Chinese place do.

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[–] Oneeightnine 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why? Because it's more convenient dude, at least in the UK. Is it lazy?, yes. Is it negatively affecting the takeaway industry?, also yes. Is it more convenient than going out of my house when I've finally got the kids to bed and just want to settle down onto the sofa and wait for someone to bring me food? Absolutely it is.

I'd probably direct my anger towards the shitty companies who exploit you, the drivers and the customers rather than the people just trying to get some grub down their throats after a long shitty day.

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[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Sounds like most of the problems you are complaining about are the structure of the system. Ordering things you don't have/offer or for a ridiculously fast delivery time shouldn't even be options.

I agree apps like door dash make all the problems of delivery worse, but delivery in of itself is a good thing. Restaurants and individual locations should just have all the power, not some weird intermediary that takes a huge cut.

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This sounds like your employer set up the online ordering poorly. Most places have the food set as available minimum 15 minutes after you order. They should remove items that are out of stock from the mobile site.

Usually the problem I see is that the order volume is higher than the kitchen staff can support and their management doesn't want to turn it off or hire more people.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wtf is wrong with ordering from mobile to go pick it up yourself? It slows nothing down; those orders are added in the same order as those taken in-store. It doesn't charge more. It doesn't even really take a job away from anyone since the cashiers at these places aren't just cashiers. Nobody is getting screwed, unless the app fucks up.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I've been ordering delivery since the '70s.

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[–] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don’t kill your own meat I think you’re pathetic.

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[–] Brekky@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Great use of this thread, I disagree with your opinion but love hearing your viewpoint. I agree there a problem with the whole set up and I don't know the solution. But I like that i have way more options than 10/15 years ago when i could only pick from chippy, Chinese, curry or pizza for a lazy dinner. (Uk).

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, I've called places to ask to order food only to be told that I have to order online!

While I appreciated being able to order basically everything as takeout during the pandemic, some places took it too far.

[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Unpopular and I agree it is even more that pathetic. This reality has created a world of delivery slaves and as you said, the product is poor. I never ordered anything from these shitty realities .

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If grocery delivery was mass adopted there would be less gas consumed and fewer cars on the road.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't consider grocery to be food service. It's retail.

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[–] thecam@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Food ordering/delivery services are a double edge swords. Its convient but it "keeps you in your pod".

I am not bothered by these services as long I can still go to the restaurant itself and get the food in person.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does it not bother you that your experience in the store is made worse because these same companies demand we take care of mobile/delivery orders before helping customers inside?

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It bothers me a bit, but you're blaming the wrong person here. The problem isn't the person using a valid service. The problem is the capitalist machine treating people like shit. The stores having awful inventory management software or over burdening employees is not the customers fault.

I talk often with the pick up and go crew. They like their job and seem to be treated reasonably well given the late-stage capitalism we're all living in. If I found out they were miserable I wouldn't order anymore. I do find out about flaws in the system and do what I can to remedy that on my end.

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[–] OpenStars@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

THAT's the lead on this story - if it were implemented differently it could be much better, expanding people's choices without taking away existing ones. It's like those amusement parks where if you pay extra on top of the already exorbitant rates to begin with, you can cut in front of the line, so rich people can make "the poors" stand there, literally at the very front of the line, for hours on end as those who pay extra cut in front of them. Thus even if the price of a regular ticket were to remain the same, what you get in return takes a nosedive in quality, essentially taking something away from you, compared to the way it was before. (Okay so I never go to such parks, I am far too cheap for that, that's mostly just how I imagine it would be:-)

I've seen restaurants that refuse to pay their workers (cough Chipotle cough) get short staffed and literally shut down their in-person service, so if you show up at the door, the only option was to pay the extra fee for the "convenience" of the pickup option. Same food, same door you physically walk through, a register literally one foot away from the other one... but you need to pay more for the privilege.

It's all about the money.

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