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I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them. That makes me think they are in some sort of death cult. That they found socially acceptable way to love violence.

I would still get one for safety but it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

They can serve a good purpose but they are fundamentally grim tools of pain and suffering. They shouldn’t be celebrated and glorified in their own right, that is sick. They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

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[–] tcgoetz@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (9 children)

This seems like a very urban viewpoint. There are still places in the world and in the US in particular where a firearm is tool for safety that has nothing to do with other humans.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

That seems like a very I have nothing to fear from other people viewpoint. Lots of places in urban areas where a firearm is a tool for safety that has everything to do with other humans.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Not to mention hunting is a thing.

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[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

No, only some are and even then it's not broadly accurate, it's closer to Anthropomorphism.

Weapons are designed from the ground up to kill animals. From birdshot 10g shotgun to bolt action plastic tip single shot rifle.

Assault rifles are a category designed primarily to kill humans

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Most people don't seem to realize the perfect deer rifle is the perfect human rifle.

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[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Killing animals is pretty shitty as well though

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[–] WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (21 children)

Gotta resist fascism somehow

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[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

It's a very American viewpoint. Many countries in Europe have high gun ownership and manage to do so without murdering eachother.

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That is a very American excuse. The US has 120 guns per 100 people, Europe's highest, Serbia, which had a literal civil war not 2 decades ago, has 40.

The US has a gun problem.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I actually know a few Serbs personally and the 40 guns per 100 people definitely refers to legally acquired and nationally registered guns. And doesn't include the Kalashnikovs picked up after the war and kept by people's grandmother's.

Honestly I don't even see guns as a terribly effective method of mass murder. If I were to want to take out a large number of people, I'd use a Timothy McVeigh style truck bomb. Fertiliser and diesel are comparatively cheap in any country. Or you know I could just grab a kitchen knife and probably take out around a fair number of people.

The difference is that Americans have a hard-on for violence. America has a serious mental health problem. You just elected litteral fascists to the Whitehouse to stop trans girls from taking a shit in a public bathroom, so don't pretend that y'all are mentally healthy.

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[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

This isn’t true. I live in a country with sensible gun control laws and live on a rural property with 10 acres of forest. We have a small rifle to protect the wildlife against rabies or to put down an injured animal.

The US conversation around guns is toxic.

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[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If I can get excited for a cordless Bosch track saw, I can get excited for a nice gun. Guns have served two purposes in my life - target shooting with friends and the meat I get from hunting. I don't need to take on someone elses trauma and stop enjoying something to respect what they are.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

That's not an unpopular opinion IMO.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (6 children)

They are engineered from the ground up to take lives ~~of other people~~.

I have no love for guns, but hunting for food is the reason humans created weapons in the first place. To your point, I’m pretty sure slaughterhouses aren’t using fully automatic rifles on the killing floor.

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I’ve always looked at them from a utility/engineering/sport perspective. I have no intent of ever carrying a weapon, but the training it takes to learn how to target practice, and the engineering that goes into them are incredibly fascinating.

I don’t encourage people to own guns and I don’t have any myself, but I really wish target practice didn’t have to share a platform with a killing machine.

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion, although I'd detach the violence from people.

Guns are weapons specifically designed as tools of violence. Some are for designed with animal hunting in mind, some for hurting people, and some for target sports, which are ultimately derived from the other two.

Like any tool, how people intend to use it matters, as well as how they expect to use it and how they prepare to use it.
I will easily judge people based on those factors.
Separating the tool from the use also lets us be a little more objective in our discussions about how we want to regulate the tool. "This type of weapon poses an undue risk to surrounding people in this context, so you can't have it in this context".

I think just about every gun owner I've met agrees with the sentiment if you get rid of the "against people" part.

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