I don't want to post anything I'd regret and I'm not advocating for anyone to do anything but I'm just saying I doubt these little twerps are getting secret service protection

Don't do it, I disavow but I'm just saying

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 9 points 1 hour ago

But if someone did do it

We disavow

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 hour ago

Deny. Defend. Depose. Disavow.

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 50 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

I gotta be honest, all the fucking bureaucrats who just give into whatever the DOGE fascists want should be treated like collaborators in their crimes. If someone is like "this could lead to a nuclear armageddon but I gotta protect my job" they deserve to be lined up on a wall just as much as the person they're folding to.

[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 13 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Even the US armed forces for all their evil have a culture of refusing illegal orders. The fact that the bureaucracy doesn’t have the same concept is so irresponsible.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well... I dunno about that

When's the last time someone refused an order and wasn't forced out or otherwise punished?

[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 4 points 19 minutes ago

It happens. Mostly to protect classified information or to enforce procedure as far as I understand. It’s not about enforcing morality. Just legality.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 15 points 3 hours ago

100%

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 22 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Agreed

They should kick these little nerds asses then throw them out the door

[–] Militant_Marxist@hexbear.net 21 points 5 hours ago

At least it's a young gen z incel instead of a geriatric boomer incel. That's progress!

[+] argon@lemmy.today 3 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

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[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 28 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"incel" have stopped being about genuinely love-deprived people for a long time, now everyone knows we're talking about the lower ranking misogynists

[–] argon@lemmy.today 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

I get that. That's why I made a comparison to the term "gay", which is also frequently used as an insult without actually trying to refer to homosexual people.

I think the literal meaning matters, especially when being a (literal) incel is still something many are insecure about.

That's what makes it different to e.g. the term "bastard". That term also refers to a specific group, but nowadays noone (in the western world) would be insecure about being born to umarried parents.

As long as involuntary celibacy is something people are insecure about, we shouldn't use "incel" as an insult.

[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The idea that being an incel is just about not having sex is something that is pushed heavily by incel culture. It’s propaganda. That’s the same culture, by the way, that believes that women’s worth comes from their sexual value and that women marry up based on pseudoscientific bone structure analysis. It’s a whole worldview and people who are just sad about being virgins should not be identifying with incels. The normalization of incel culture that muddies the waters on this is insidious and destructive.

[–] argon@lemmy.today 3 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Why not just use another term, like "radical misogynist"?

[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 4 points 17 minutes ago

You can call them anything you want. If you want people to know what movement you’re referring to, you’re going to need to call them incels.

[–] crime@hexbear.net 7 points 53 minutes ago

Because they already use this term for themselves and their weird misogynistic culture centered around their personalities being too repulsive to get them laid.

[–] Balefirex@hexbear.net 8 points 1 hour ago

because they don't skateboard

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's not the same as using gay as an insult, wtf. There's s long history of systematic discrimination and even murder when it comes to LGBT people.

[–] argon@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I agree that it's not the same. That wasn't what I was trying to say; I'm sorry if my phrasing was unclear.

The reason I made the comparison is that it's very clear that using "gay" as an insult is bad (because of the severe discrimination you mentioned), and so I was using it as a more extreme example of an insult that refers to a specific group of people.

Using "incel" as an insult is not as clearly bad (because involuntary celibates haven't faced the discrimination that homosexuals have), yet it follows a similar paradigm, hence why I made the comparison.

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How tf do you know who is insecure about what?

[–] argon@lemmy.today 7 points 3 hours ago

I talk to people, I partake in society.

If there's a large amount of people insecure about being born to unmarried parents that I simply haven't encountered or heard of, I'd be perfectly willing to quit using the term "bastard" as an insult, too.

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

woah woah, pls refer to it was the i-word, what are you doing?

[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago

Good bit. Stealing this

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 45 points 5 hours ago

The difference being that gays are an actual marginalized group that faces violence for who they are and that the gays do not run a misogynist online cult that does targeted harassment campaigns and terror attacks. But yeah, we shouldn't use the word incel for "guy who presumably doesn't get laid", only for the movement that uses it as a self-descriptor.

[–] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 31 points 5 hours ago

Unfuckable loser dipshit is a lot less ambiguous