Clearly CIA propaganda, they'd criticise a western country
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/12/australia-rights-failings-tarnish-regional-credibility
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Hopefully those restrictions are eventually fully lifted. Though I wouldn't rush on that after hearing how the Syrian Uyghur fighters planned to "liberate Xinjiang", it's also important imo to prevent local "bad apples" from colluding with such groups abroad.
Are a few Syrian fighters such a threat to one of the world's most powerful militaries that it justifies blanket travel restrictions on 26,000,000 people? I wouldn't want to see, for example, the UK banning travel in and out of its areas with high Muslim populations just because some people in Syria called for the overthrow of the UK
While a few Syrian fighters might not everthrow the government, they are an example of the risk faced by the local population. Xinjiang used to have a huge terrorism problem, people would demonstrate asking for local authorities to step in and take measures. Consider that most people in Xinjiang are not affected by the specific travel restrictions, and therefore don't mind having them in place if that makes the region safer. Call that a "tyranny of the majority" if you wish. Restrictions will be lifted over time as the risk goes away.
Consider that most people in Xinjiang are not affected by the specific travel restrictions
This is very much at odds with the text of the article unless your position is that most people in Xinjiang would never leave Xinjiang anyway, and also most of the diaspora would not travel to Xinjiang. Barring them from travelling to countries with large Muslim populations seems particularly notable given the importance of making a pilgrimage to Mecca within the religion
I think you're making an overly broad interpretation of the text of the article. The restrictions only apply to "sensitive" countries, not all countries with large Muslim populations. Xinjiang law explicitly grants Muslims the right to pilgrimage to Mecca. I mean, how could those restrictive laws have passed in the first place if most people in the region were against them?
I mean, how could those restrictive laws have passed in the first place if most people in the region were against them?
As someone already said, the answer is obvious but you may have (intentionally?) ignored a simple fact. The Chinese government pursues a dictatorial policy, it doesn't matter "if most people in the region were against them" as people have no say.
The restrictions only apply to "sensitive" countries, not all countries with large Muslim populations.
Saudi Arabia is on the list according to HRW https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/09/10/eradicating-ideological-viruses/chinas-campaign-repression-against-xinjiangs
I mean, how could those restrictive laws have passed in the first place if most people in the region were against them?
The answer to this is very obvious, is it not? Xinjiang is part of China, and as such Xinjiangese law is subject to Chinese law
But besides that, Uyghurs are not an outright majority of the population of Xinjiang. The Xinjiang government absolutely could - hypothetically - pass laws that every Uyghur opposes and retain majority support.
As the article in this post states, some "sensitive" countries can be visited for specific reasons, like Kazakhstan. Pilgrimage to Mecca is protected by the China Islamic Association.
My point is that those restrictions serve a purpose of mitigating violence in the region, which is still a risk nowadays, and are being toned down as this risk diminishes, seeking proportionality. Hopefully they'll be phased out.
Yes, this is true! Palestine? I don't know what you're talking about.
This stuff is obviously bullshit, and funded by the west. Decrying China for being anti-muslim and putting people into "concentration camps", while simultaneously supporting the illegal settler colonial operation in Palestine
Are you denying these restrictions exist entirely? I agree with you that it sucks that we're only hearing about it as a distraction from atrocities our own governments are committing, but do you think it's not happening at all?
Yea, I am. There used to be more controls about this stuff, but that was because China literally had lots of bombings from these Islamic fundamentalist groups. You can't expect them to just let this stuff go and not have anything done.
That is not to say they could have done better and I'm not critical, but China has taken the best approach to this (which the Islamic Cooperation Community supported) which is re-education and re-integration with society.
They just continue to harp on these points with anecdotal evidence and no concrete sources. It is bullshit.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer.
The site clearly has an entire section about Palestine. Unfortunately more than one bad thing can happen at once.
But Palestine has heaps of evidence, this does not. Only anecdotes from questionable sources. They keep harping on about this to try to foment dissent and tear China apart.
They have an entire section of the website dedicated to Palestine. The button is right there at the top. They published two articles about it yesterday. This is the most ridiculous whataboutery I have ever seen
HRW's job is to investigate human rights abuses. Their job is not to only report on well-documented human rights abuses. They investigate to improve the documentation of those cases.
Yes, because Palestine is an undeniable issue that is as obvious as gravity, whereas this Uyghur stuff isn't. Them reporting on a true genocide doesn't stop them from being a western mouthpiece to parrot propaganda against their enemies.
Here's some reading and videos about the Uyghur stuff:
"It's ridiculous that HRW is using interviews with Uyghurs as evidence. Also, here's two interviews with Uyghurs as my evidence."
Only anecdotes from questionable sources
What is a good source about China?
Alot of the time the west uses Adrian Zenz (who you can read his Wikipedia page on why he is not trustworthy and is doubted even among European academic circles)
Here’s some reading and videos about the Uyghur stuff: