Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 6 days ago

1978 US Automotive Companies: If we make a product that locks our customers in, they'll be our customers forever!

1978 Japanese Automotive Companies: The US gave us their required parameters. If we make a product that works then customers will keep buying our stuff.

2025 US Tech Companies: If we make our products contingent on proprietary software and hardware, we'll lock them in.

2025 Chinese Tech Companies: The US gave us their required parameters. If we make a product that works and they can utilize freely, they'll keep buying our stuff.

Not our first rodeo.

[–] Finalsolo963@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I suspect the enshittification of proton is fast approaching.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Im stuck. Is there a Guide for a fast approaching full suit switch?

Caleneder, Passwords, Email, Drive?

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago

Email and calendar: Tuta, Posteo, Mailbox.org, Disroot

Passwords: Bitwarden, KeepassXC

Drive: Filen.io

[–] Toasty@toet.social 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

@ReakDuck Well Nextcloud I guess but they only offer an email client so you can connect an existing email account

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[–] ToxicWaste@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

this is obviously talking about their web app, which most people will be using. In this special instance, it was clearly not the LLM itself censoring the Tiananmen Square, but a layer on top.

i have not bothered downloading and asking deepseek about Tiananmen Square. so i cannot know what the model would have generated. however, it is possible that certain biasses are trained into any model.

i am pretty sure, this blog is aimed at the average user. while i wouldn't trust any LLM company with my data, i certainly wouldn't want the chinese government to have them. anyone that knows how to use (ollama)[https://github.com/ollama/ollama] should know these telemetry data don't apply to running locally. but for sure, pointing it out in the blog would help.

[–] chebra@mstdn.io 6 points 6 days ago

@ToxicWaste @JOMusic the censorship is trained into the ollama models too. But of course the self-hosted model cannot send anything to China, so at least the whole tracking issue is avoided.

[–] abobla@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago

Jesus fuckin Christ, just marry Trump at this point, Mister proton CEO.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I want to preface this question by saying that I'm not trolling and I'm not defending Proton. I'm genuinely confused at the reaction to this article.

I'm also upset with Proton's recent comments, specifically the December tweet and subsequent responses, and I'm evaluating my use of Proton.

Near as I can tell, this article (which I did read) lays out the facts about Deepseek as an LLM originating in China and the implications of that.

Why is this article a reason to pile on proton?

[–] thirteene@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Proton had a reputation for being the good guy. In the span of a month, we saw them bend the knee, flip flop and throw shade at competition; all while pretending to be the hero. We essentially have to trust them with our data and they are showing signs that they are willing to act against that trust with worrisome agendas and biases. It's not a good look, and since this marketing to users key issues, it's going to cause some responses.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

That's fair. I suppose people will have their pitchforks and will pile on anything at this point

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[–] yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I cancelled my Proton renewal for January and am very happy with Mullvad VPN.

Mozilla VPN runs Mullvad under the hood as well.

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