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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24657192

Summary

In a virtual speech at the World Economic Forum, Trump suggested Canada could become a U.S. state to avoid his proposed tariffs on imports.

The remark elicited gasps from the audience.

Trump claimed the U.S. does not need Canadian lumber, energy, or vehicles, vastly overstating the trade deficit between the two nations.

He reiterated his intention to impose tariffs, potentially as high as 25%, on imports from Canada and Mexico starting February 1.

Economists warn such tariffs would raise prices for U.S. consumers.

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[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Just. You know....

become a state.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why people keep listening to what that being says? Just respond to his actions, anthing else is useless...

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I somewhat agree with your point but after years of him saying he would do fucked up shit and then him doing a lot of it, it helps to be prepared for his intentions as they manifest into actions in many cases.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

My point goes mostly to international leaders or representative people that over-react to his words and then the media look to amplify it by doing it a “new”: part of his strategy is this shit bombing upon saturation, so it buffers a space of allowance of shit actions in the public opinion that otherwise would have suffered of even more rejection if done without this probing, confusing and dragging resources in the meantime to attend this… which in the end will not matter how are they answered, prevented or reacted, he will push anyway in that direction, so I would give zero weight to all that diarrhea, shit will come willing it or not since he has the power to do it, accepting any kind of conversation with someone like that is playing a rigged game and lose terrain… why accept his ability to an exchange of opinion in the first place? why respond/listen to him? He behaves like the strongest bully, the corresponding treatment is required… join on isolating him, he will not make it easy though. This is my opinion…

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Four more years of this shit. But oh well, it's worth it if it spared a few people of superior moral integrity from compromising their principles to vote for Harris when she didn't measure up to their requirements and the Democrats didn't run a good enough campaign and besides it was kind of cold that day and it would have meant putting on pants.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Why are you okay with your fellow Americans being unrepresented in the voting booth?

Are you working to replace First past the post voting in your state? People should be free to vote for those they deem best, while still counting their vote against those they don't want in office.

We don't need to wait for a miracle from congress. How we vote us controlled at the state level. Alaska has already done away with FPTP voting. Alaskan Republicans were so upset that Ranked Choice voting kept Sarah Palin out of office they offered up a referendum to go back to FPTP voting. The people of Alaska voted to keep it

Why do you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer? Do you support democracy? Or do you get off on telling people how to vote?

Videos on alternative voting systems

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Feel free to express (and explain) your opinion that some people are unrepresented, but why are you okay with pretending that's my opinion and asking me to defend it? Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 refused to vote at all in 2024 because the Democratic Party hadn't given them a candidate they liked. More than enough to defeat Trump, but that wasn't important enough for them to step off their moral high ground, and now here we are.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There is no actual fentanyl or immigration basis for tariffs on Canada. Just submit to less representation than California, and help absorb large US debt with little in return for it.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There's no basis for tariffs on Mexico either.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 hours ago

Really there is no basis for any tariffs, the richest nation in the world putting tariffs on other nations products because they can't keep up is embarrassing.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

What about the provinces within Canada? Are they gonna all merge to become one US megastate?

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago

All I know is that Quebec would never allow that

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 33 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Us citizens pay tariff this doesn't hurt Canadians. They should call bluff and say do 30%.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Canada will absorb most of the extra cost if we want to sell product to the US.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It potentially reduces exports from Canada to the US, hurting our economy. Nobody wins

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Canada imports more from USA than it exports to USA. A trade war that decreases exports would hurt USA more than Canada.

The largest exports from USA to Canada are cars and trucks. (Finished products) The largest exports from Canada to USA are minerals, fuels and pulp. (Raw material)

This puts USA at a disadvantage in a tariff game, because it's a lot easier for Canada to replace American cars with Asian or European cars, than it is for USA to replace the variety of ressources that Canada provides

It's also a lot easier for Canada to find other customers for raw materials than it is to sell American cars on other continents.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

We'll have to analyze more deeply but it is very likely that these exports to Canada are actually coming from México.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

We have a lot of resources. Ya our shit will get more expensive, but he's gonna fuck his own country doing this. Canada will survive.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

My understanding is that tariffs in general can apply to both imports and exports, on either side.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Well according to wiki you are right. I was on ever taught tax on imports in school. Taxing exports only works of there is one possible vendor and if there is not then the competition will just has to charge slightly less while expanding production.

Imagine if China , EU, and or japan be like here is 10% discount. Or better yet Trade alliance among countries who Trump charges on exports would be hillarious.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

Or better yet Trade alliance among countries who Trump charges on exports would be hillarious.

This is exactly what is happening, its the main reason of the rise of BRICS.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 67 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (17 children)

As a Canadian, fuck you Trump. Canada will never be a US state. Not sorry.

[–] chuymatt@startrek.website 1 points 3 hours ago

Its truedeau. (Its a pun)

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

As they say in Canada, they're not having Nunavut these hosers, eh ?

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 2 points 7 hours ago

It's bad enough being one of those states now, and I'm in one of the good ones.

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