Maybe this response will come across as autistic, but let there be two 196s! Now you have too pubs you can go to, one in the city (.world), and in your cozy hometown (.blahaj). People can post content and get memes from both places, more = better, going by all-you-can-eat-buffet rules. Everyone should consider posting on and reading both places because community splits suck. Relax and enjoy.
this post was submitted on 20 Jan 2025
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Why do we hate the mods over one small decision?
Because it wasn't their decision to make.
Not wanting to moderate the LBZ community and move to a new one, is one thing; but to close down the existing community and tell those users they MUST move where you want them to crosses a line.
The community isn't cattle to be herded where ever the mods desire. The fact that they tried - with NO consultation of the community - has eradicated the communities faith in the mod team.
The lack of communication to the community was not the best idea.
Is this something that's usually communicated to a community in advance/decided by a community poll?
Ideally, yeah. It's something that affects the community as a whole, usually you would discuss it with said community. Even though the issue is primarily the admin not allowing the mods to moderate themselves and just from my personal experience with Ada, she doesn't seem to even want to discuss anything once she's made a decision. In which case leaving is the only solution when you're up against a bad actor like that.
Fair enough, I haven't seen this happen a lot so I didn't know that's a thing mods usually announce. It def sucks that they didn't give more warning or let the community have a say, and it really sucks that they moved to an instance that some big instances are defederated from
There is an issue between the mods and the admin. There is NOT an issue between the vast majority of the users and the admin. The mods decided to solve their issues by moving all the users to a different instance.
Now, there's a ton of additional problems. The .world admins apparently promised the 196 mods that they wouldn't be heavyhanded less than a week after the .world admins released a public statement that mods who didn't obey the new rules would be made to obey (and then we're forced to walk that back after massive backlash).
There's also a problem that the problem the mods have with the admin, is mostly caused by the mods not keeping up with the instance mod-queue, forcing the admin to step in. The mods then cry that the admin is doing work "in their community".
There is the additional problem that many of the community members are on 196 specifically BECAUSE it's LBH.
And of course, the mods said they'd been working on this for months, and yet were completely unaware of all the issues this would cause due to federation.
Edit: oh, AND the mods decided that they wanted to ALSO squat on the original community instead of letting someone take over and keeping the entire community. They used the excuse of wanting to prevent "splintering". Users saw this, understandably, as the mods claiming ownership over the user base.
In short: mods thought they owned the community, instead of, you know, the community. The solution here would have been for the mods to move, but they didn't want to. I'll leave it to the reader why that is, but one might quickly assume they're a bunch of entitled idiots on a power trip, instead of janitors who want to maintain a community
you didnt hear? they decided to move the community to !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
sorry for the convenience
OP is well aware as they commented in this thread: https://lemmy.world/comment/14567599
"hey look this person has a modlog, look how much less toxic I am than them!" will you please just stop? Are you capable of not following me around and trying to highlight how shitty I've been in the past? Are you at all capable of just shutting the fuck up and letting people be instead of desperately trying to dunk on them for no reason?
I think he's been following me, too -_-
Since I know Blaze is reading this, he can consider this a warning to chill. Stalking me is one thing, because I respect anyone's right to criticize us no matter how obnoxious as long as it's civil, but doing this to other users is a whole different matter. That's just harassment.
Devil's advocate, this place is really small and you don't need to do any "stalking" to turn up everywhere.
Edit: however after rereading the exchange I will say that I don't usually notice names in the first place let alone bring something over from another thread.
Definitely. I'm not stalking, the two comments were sent a couple of hours from the others. They also have an easy to remember username.
This place is small. Modlogs are public.
Blaze is a troll don't feed them
What really is the issue here?
Some people don't like that they weren't consulted.
Some people are supportive of Ada.
For all the dust kicked up, there's not much more to it than that.
With many communities moving away from lemmy.world in favour of the health of the fediverse it's striking to make such a strong move in the opposite direction out of nowhere.
For all the dust kicked up, there's not much more to it than that.
Some people don't feel safe on lemmy.world. Some people haven't felt safe on lemmy.world for a long time. In my view, lemmy.world is not, in general, a safe instance for LGBTQ people, people with pro-Palestinian views, and leftists who refuse to bend the knee to neoliberal impositions, amongst others. It's basically trying to be Reddit 2.0.
Some people aren't even federated with lemmy.world but were/are federated with Blahaj. Same reasons as above.
Some people see this as further centralization of the Fediverse. Because it is. Even if lemmy.world was otherwise perfect, we don't need yet another huge community dependent on their servers and their people.
Alternatively some people don't feel safe on .blahaj because they will ban you for not agreeing with their mods. Which is also just how reddit works in the smaller communities.
If the mods don't want people to move then they don't have to make decisions that make people want to move.
Tbf there's no instance one could go to where they aren't liable to be banned for looking at a mod wrong, it's just about what flavor of power trip you want from your mods. .world is no exception, but I haven't been permabanned from much there (other than a couple permas I earned bc I was an asshole there)
To be fair we did have a mod I think a year ago on LBZ that we removed because they weren't putting any reasoning for bans. Technically they stepped down, but that was after a discussion on our chat. I'm not going to blindly back up anyone in the mod team with me just because we volunteer together. If someone does something shitty I'm going to say something.
I'm not sure that agree with SoftTeeth though (jfc that name is horrifying). I haven't seen anyone getting banned for not agreeing with mods. If anything I think we're a little too sensitive about banning people that don't agree with us. I've reported people who blew up at me in comments sections rather than just removing/banning because I don't want people to think that we ban people who disagree with us.