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Our earth is only 4 billion years old in a universe that is 14 billion years old. What could a species learn, create, and do that has a 2 or 3 billion year head start on us? what about 10?

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they probably have better memes.

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[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We have memes that meme on other memes that meme on basic memes, aka tier 3 memes.

A more advanced civilization has probably a much higher tier of meming where you need to learn meme lore for many years before you can comprehend state of the art memes. How high that tier is depends om the lifetime of individuals, I reckon humans could reach tier 10 before there are too many memes to fit in a lifetime.

[–] unreachable@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

memeception

[–] bakachu@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

So you're saying you'd need an advanced degree in memeology.

[–] jabberati@social.anoxinon.de 2 points 1 year ago

@nottheengineer @Gullible This is how I feel about science.

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It is extremely unlikely that there is any life from 10 billion years older than we are, as the first generation stars probably did not provide enough chemical elements to form life to their planetary systems.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok but what about 2 billion like they said

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

They probably do have the dankest of memes

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm of the boat that there probably was life, but nothing advanced enough for long distance space travel and communication. Most planets are gaseous or liquid so it would have been sea-like creatures who wouldn't have been able to survive on land anyways let alone space.

[–] SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Before early stars started to die there weren't the complex chemicals and elements that we think are necessary for life to exist. In fact one of the only reasons they think earth can support life is due to a probable neutron star collision that happened in our area of space before the sun existed.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yea Earth is very fortunate to be in it's current position in space lol. The conditions for life are very specific and somehow it got us here like 10b years later.

[–] joostjakob@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ooh, fascinating. Do you happen to know where I can read more about that neutron star collision? (Found an article, but no mention of a link to life)

[–] SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I haven't been able to rewatch the entire video to confirm, but I'm fairly certain this video discusses it.

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

On the other hand, findings from JWST are challenging our understanding of early universe galaxy formation with observations of large galaxies forming earlier than we thought possible. So who knows?

[–] Lord_McAlister@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A civilization that started in the first billion years of the universe would be immediately destroyed by the violent nature of the early universe.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That basically continues to be true until about 7.5-8 BYA. So at max a species might have 3-4 billion years on us. Even that's a bit debatable as the complexity of our DNA indicates that it started evolving about 7.5 BYA.

[–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Where exactly is this information from? That would just mean the methods to calculate this are probably not very precise.

[–] Shurimal@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from memes?

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

They probably killed themselves off within the first 10k - 20k years of their civilization. The memes probably got up to a level we haven't seen yet, but we're getting there.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago

They have solved all mysteries there are. Except human anus, that still baffles them.

[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Think of the porn these guys have. A hundret years ago the kinkiest thing we had was anal. Nowadays we have shit like penis vore and reverse birth. Imagine what we will have in another hundret years. Would make the Cenobites look tame in comparison

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

We have people slicing their dicks in half and creating a pseudo pussy under their balls. Shits getting wild.

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Read the SciFi trilogy starting with The Three-Body Problem. Deals with this exact thought/concept in an interesting way.

[–] 6mementomori@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

assuming the universe wasn't as hostile to life as it really was, they probably reached a major bottleneck in development where there wasn't much more to discover cause speed of causality can't be broken, negative energy can't be figured out, or they deleted themselves by war/pollution

[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago

They made the most meme thing in the universe, us.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Is that Pepe blotter paper?