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Summary

Texas Republican Valentina Gomez sparked outrage after releasing a video proposing public executions of undocumented immigrants who commit violent crimes, claiming it would act as a deterrent.

The video, shared on X, simulated Gomez shooting a hooded dummy representing an undocumented migrant.

Her comments followed the arrest of a Guatemalan immigrant for a subway murder in New York.

Known for far-right provocations, Gomez’s remarks drew sharp criticism from political figures and activists, with some praising her stance while others condemned it as hateful and extreme.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 points 38 minutes ago

Yes and no. The monsters are using migrants as a scapegoat to distract from the outright theft that's about to ramp up.

But the thing about a scapegoat, they're still killed.

When a monster tells you what they want to do, believe them.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Need to see a Venn diagram of the commonalities between ISIS and republicans.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 hours ago

It's one solid circle.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 19 points 6 hours ago

NGL, that's a good looking meme setup.

Would be a shame if someone happen to put words like Luigi or healthcare CEO. Not saying what order though.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 28 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

How about televised executions of politicians that do not do their elected jobs

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I'm thinking televised executions of instance CEOs that do do their jobs

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

In China they have no issue executing billionaires who try to fuck around. This needs to be normalized.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Run them in split screen and you got an unstoppable ratings behemoth

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Have them fight to the death against each other. The winner gets to participate in tomorrow's episode..

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

disgusting. These conservative nutjob terrorists disgust me.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago
[–] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 52 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

i'm proposing public executions of Nazi scum, cool?

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

Make this law

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Accepted!

Next week official definition of nazi changed to "Either left or right wing extremist not affiliated with federal goverment of USA" ^^

[–] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

then let's use "right-wing asshole who spits on the human rights of others" as the definition. the gallows- and guillotine industries will have a nice economic upswing

[–] Jericho_One@lemmy.world 30 points 8 hours ago

Shouldn't the headline be "Republican said something terrible to get the media talking about her, and we've done exactly what she wanted"?

[–] vikingr@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago

She hopes by showing her ass that the whites won't spend her as a token.

But they will.

Dumb fascist cunt.

[–] FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world 54 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Wtf is up with these Hispanic nazis?

[–] kava@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

two major things to keep in mind

a) majority of hispanics in the US have been there multiple generations. while they may hold some varying level of ties to their family's home country, they've more or less been mostly americanized and are effectively just a different flavor of "american"

add in the fact that these are a more socially conservative people who more likely to be religious and it makes sense why they have been moving to the right. GOP could have taken advantage of this a long time ago. I think it's strange that Trump is the one to finally harness this group of people, but I guess reality is stranger than fiction

b) the US isn't stupid and it imports right-wing anti-left people. For example from Cuba or Venezuela. Miami has a massive Cuban population and they're all descendants from people fleeing the communist Castro regime. The Cubans are bred from birth to believe the Castro regime was evil and they're told all about the horrors (conveniently nobody remembers the just as brutal Batista regime, coincidentally supported by the US).

So all it takes is for there to be a connection between "democrats -> left wing -> communist" and all the Cubans turn against the DNC.

what I find fascinating is that you talk to a young Cuban who is one or two generations separated from Cuba, they have all sorts of horror stories and hatred for the Castro regime.

But you talk to an old-timer, someone in their 60s or 70s and they have nostalgia and nuanced views. Sort of like how people view the Soviet Union.

If we're gonna summarize all of this I'd just say this- assimilation. We're watching the process of how Irish went from "ethnic minority" to "white" and hispanics are going through a similar process

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Sort of like how people view the Soviet Union.

I've never met anyone personally who speaks fondly of their time in the USSR. Tankies online who are too young to have lived through it are the only ones.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

There's that infamous quote from Putin- "Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain"

People who actually grew up during the Soviet Union and went through the process of collapse and liberalization as an adult experienced quite a chaotic period of time. Your way of life was violently changed, the ideology you were taught disposed of, and you went through economic troubles. It's no wonder some look back fondly

I've seen similar statements from both Cubans and ex-Soviets. One of the main themes is how under liberal societies you are "addicted to money", so to speak. For example in Cuba, you could not get what you wanted. For example you go to the store one day, there's no shoes. Tomorrow, there's no batteries. You could not eat beef, you could not just leave. There were many restrictions.

But you were sort of guaranteed a certain minimum quality of life. You would have a place to live, you would have food. You would have a steady job without worrying about losing it.

Whereas in the US, you have an exponentially higher purchasing power- even the lowest segments of the population. But there's a catch. You have to be working all week to sustain that lifestyle. And the employer can more easily fire you- it's not as stable.

So they look back with nostalgia at what to them seems likes simpler and calmer times. Less stressful

anyhow, to back up my anecdotal experience with data: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/06/29/in-russia-nostalgia-for-soviet-union-and-positive-feelings-about-stalin/

78% of older Russians think collapse of Soviet Union was a bad thing. Majority of Russians view Stalin favorably.

It depends on the country you're from, but it's safe to say many older people have nostalgia and look back at the Soviet Union fondly. I've seen the same thing with Cubans

here's a thread on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/esy6i5/russians_of_reddit_what_is_the_older_generations/

where people share their experiences. Few of the top comments basically mirror what I referenced above

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Spain raped brown people, then made fun of the product of that rape for being brown. This has had very bad repurcussions for racism. And they trained them to hate themselves. So now there's a lot of mexican cucks.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 8 points 11 hours ago

kinda stockholm syndroming. german christmas market attack was a saudia arabian refugee voting for the newer german Nazis "AfD" that also Space Karen likes.

so the dumbest of migrants seem to overcompensate their lack of identity.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean it might not be too relevant (as I know the majority of the Hispanics youre referring to aren't Spanish per se), but I'd like to remind people that Spain was a fascist dictatorship up until 1975, when it became a democracy.

I'm sure they at least produce media that's enjoyed in other Spanish speaking countries idk but nonetheless just a thought I had

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_Spain

(It's really not related to the thing here the right wing propaganda Hispanics in America are being subjected to probably isn't from Francoist Spain

[–] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Spain didn't exactly just become a democracy after Franco's death in '75, things were very iffy well into the eighties, or at least until they joined NATO in '82. The military even attempted a coup in '81.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Thanks for the elaboration.

I just quoted a Wikipedia generalisation.

I'm not too well versed in Spanish history

[–] terminally_offline@infosec.pub 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

And if you call these people anything else than "moderate, christian-democratic, center-right, conservatives", you're being dramatic...

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago
[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Of course they do.

Fully expected it

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

🤦‍♂️ Of course she moved to Texas.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I wonder how Democrats will triangulate a compromise with this.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Being strung up with them, hopefully

[–] Catma@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What if we just execute them but make it a Pay Per View event? We can raise money for helping out other immigrants

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Pelosi's portfolio suddenly has like a billion shares of whichever streaming service

[–] roserose56@lemmy.ca 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Are we talking about her? Who got 6th in the elections ? who even has this photo?

Image I just can't stop laughing.

[–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

When even the Department Of Justice publishes reports that more severe punishments, explicitly including death sentences, don't work for deterrence (see points 4 and 5 of their summary), people really should start thinking about better ways to prevent crime.

(Personally, I'd propose tackling the conditions that force crimes, particularly those of desperation, as well as reevaluating the catalogue of what really counts as crimes, particularly if there's no victim, but on here, I'd be preaching to the choir.)

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

tackling the conditions that force crimes, particularly those of desperation

aka corpos making less money, never happen

[–] kava@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

honestly i'm a little radical here. i think we should totally eliminate prisons

there should be two fundamental types of crimes

  1. ones that are forgivable and we deem the individual capable of rehabilitation

  2. ones that are unforgivable and we deem the individual incapable

in the 2nd case, we should just execute quickly and quietly. this should be reserved for the extreme cases. you know, those guys that chop up their parents and start eating their ears or the ones that abduct little girls for who knows what. what qualifies for this can be debated, i'm not surely exactly where we draw the line. for example should rape count? should a murder of passion count? i don't know

in the first case, we should take all the money we spend on prisons and instead focus it into rehabilitation programs. so for example let's say an addict is caught shoplifting. instead of hauling them off to prison, forcibly put them in a rehab center to detox. then put them in some sort of public housing and give them a job, give them free methadone, etc.

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 40 points 18 hours ago

If I do this but it’s the CEO of a health insurance company, then I’ll get sued out the wazoo.

[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 41 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Luckily she's never been elected to anything so far.

She's a Colombian immigrant herself apparently and still has the accent so I'm not sure the racist crowd she's appealing to with this message is going to rally behind her as opposed to whatever other Republican is running.

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