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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I recently played it. If anything I think it has a subtle anti-gambling message.

The more hands you play, the more you realize you can't actually win without "cheating"

Play it like poker? Congrats, you're fucked, you literally cannot win against the blind.

Stack the deck in your favor with creative use of Joker cards and a few dozen extra aces? The game becomes trivial

If the game teaches you anything it's that if you play by the rules, the house will ALWAYS win.

I just played it last night, and then again today with my kids watching. I explained how the hands are scored, and they seemed to get the gist of it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with gambling. You don't wager anything, there's no opponents, and the terminology is all different, for example:

  • blind - in poker, it's a forced bet based on sitting position from the dealer; in Balatro, it's where you're at in the "level" (and only the "boss blind" is required)
  • ante - in poker, it's the minimum bet to participate; in Balatro, it's the level you're on
  • hand - in poker, it's the cards you are dealt, and you play them all; in Balatro, it's a scoring action, and you only play a subset of your cards in a given "hand"

And so on. The only thing that's actually similar is the hand scoring system, but you mess with that as well with buffs and whatnot. Balatro will make you a worse poker player, and not even teach you the rules.

I don't think it's anti-gambling, it has nothing to do with gambling. It's like saying solitaire and blackjack are similar because they both use playing cards...

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 6 days ago

Would love to see thr EFF branch out and take this on. Great opportunity to set precedence.

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why don't people reach out to "Dirk Bosmans, Director General PEGI S.A."?

PEGI isn't a living creature. PEGI isn't giving out biased ratings. It's the people working there, and the person in charge. Actual people that actually exist here on this planet with us. "Talking" to a company is imaginary bullshit.

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 300 points 1 week ago (11 children)

It's entirely his fault for not being a multi-billion dollar company which actively invests in better ratings. In capitalism, there is no fairness - there is only money.

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[–] donuts@lemmy.world 184 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One looks like gambling but is actually a fun roguelite card game, the other one looks like fun but is actually a gambling game. Guess which one is rated 18+?

spoilerOkay I lied, FC24 doesn't even look like fun, but that's my personal opinion.

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 182 points 1 week ago (21 children)

If you search for "poker" on PEGI's site, it seems that many games which are actually about simulated gambling are rated 12 or 16. They seem to think Balatro is more likely to expose children to realistic gambling than, say, Prominence Poker or Pure Hold'em World Poker Championship, which seems completely bizarre, given that those games are about playing poker and Balatro is a fancy kind of solitaire with no betting.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

It's clearly market manipulation.

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[–] spireghost@lemmy.zip 121 points 1 week ago (22 children)

The reasoning in question:

This game teaches - by way of images, information and gameplay - skills and knowledge that are used in poker. During gameplay, the player is rewarded with ‘chips’ for playing certain hands. The player is able to access a list of poker hand names. As the player hovers over these poker hands, the game explains what types of cards the player would need in order to play certain hands. As the game goes on, the player becomes increasingly familiar with which hands would earn more points. Because these are hands that exist in the real world, this knowledge and skill could be transferred to a real-life game of poker

So, this game teaches skills and knowledge that are used in poker. The skills in knowledge are limited to... playing and making poker hands. That's it. Also, "as the game goes on, the player becomes increasingly familiar with which hands would earn more points" -- is hilariously funny. The idea that knowledge of what a poker hand is is anything related to the dangers of gambling is ridiculous.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wonder what they rated Pavlov VR, ya know the FPS game in VR that forces you to handle guns the way they would in real life and is popular with ex-military because of their transferrable skills?

[–] spireghost@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

I mean that would definitely get an 18 rating, I'm not sure what you are meaning to say

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[–] WhyDoYouPersist@lemmy.world 92 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is actually quite eye opening to me, as someone who doesn't really ever have to look at ratings as a consumer and has always just taken them for granted. Now I'm keenly aware it's yet another example of runaway capitalism. Just never thought too hard about it.

PEGI's a cunt.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Actual gambling - 3+

Suggestion of gambling - 18+

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[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 83 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Sounds like grounds for a defamation suit to me considering his stated opinions on gambling.

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[–] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 82 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Is the rating purely because it uses playing cards? Poker hands?

Yahtzee and literal poker with betting are included in Nintendo clubhouse/worldwide 51 and it's rated Pegi-12.

Would balatro get a pass if it used cards numbered 1-13 instead of traditional cards?

This whole thing is bonkers.

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