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I don't want to know.
Until it's actually election time, I don't want to know what their vision is.
They can't "Brexit" any harder than the Tories have, and if they say anything negative about the obvious deficiencies of Brexit ahead of the election, they give the Tories ammunition to drum up more tribal support.
Let the real-world consequences of Brexit play out and speak for themselves. For now.
They are probably right to stay silent on it, and probably not mention it when campaigning. Unfortunately a lot of their core voters supported Brexit, so they don't want to alienate them (see what happened last time when they lent their votes to the Tories).
Any conversation that Labour has regarding Brexit is an opening for the Tory ERG to push their own twisted narrative. Since Tories control the media, then that will be the loudest voice. Labour will not fair well in that sort of fight. There are still plenty of idiots who do not accept the damage that Brexit is doing.
The latest yougov poll shows that:
If the 2016 referendum on UK membership of the European Union was being held now, how would you vote?
31% would still want to leave the EU, with only 55% would be voting to remain
If there was a referendum now on whether the UK should or should not join the European Union, how would you vote?
32% would be against with 51% would be for it
So for all a lot of the country is aware how damaging our Brexit stance it, this is not really enough. We cannot convince anymore due to the strength of Tory media. The only way Starmer can beat this is by giving facts when in government. While keeping in mind that we will only ever get one chance to reverse this fiasco, would you rather it was done in haste or with as many educated as possible?
What damage is brexit doing?
Have you not heard the news?
Depends who you ask, doesn’t it
The list is as long as you want it to be, but it’s All by the by really, because the better question - since it was pitched as being to the betterment of the UK - what benefits has it delivered?
OK now show me a graph that actually involves Brexit. This is not comparing apples to apples. Only an idiot would buy into this.
The UK GDP fell off a cliff after the Brexit vote. So yes we may have had a unexpected difference in the GDP after that, but this does not deflect that Brexit has been massively damaging to our GDP.
UK GDP per capita in dollars: 2015 - 45,071 2016 - 41,146 2017 - 43,306
So by 2018 we had lost $2000 per head in the country. It is recorded that the wealth gap in the UK is now larger after Brexit than before. This means this has more of a significant impact to the poorer than to the rich. This does not count for inflation which is running wild. It does not count for the difference in energy costs which are affecting the UK more than our comparable in the EU, which Tories love to show a comparison to. What they never explain is that the likes of Germany, The Netherlands and France are also trying to recover from the affects of Brexit. Their economy would also be so much better off. Brexit did not just hurt the UK alone.
My earlier post spoke of the twisted narrative that is spouted from the Tories trying to corrupt thinking in the UK. You sir, are it.
Nope,
OBR says 4% of productivity, not GDP, over 15 years. Please show me a chart that shows GDP down by 4% per year. We'd be absolutely fucked if so.
Trade of what is down 15%? Source?
EU offered the UK a visa scheme for musicians, so that's all on the Tories
Yep, there's delays at every EU border, they've been promising a digital customs window since the 1990's...but the UK has caused its own issues there, fair dos
Tories not keeping promises to Wales is not down to brexit, it's down to the Tories.
All science funding has continued, it has just come out of UK govt pocket not EU...
I forgot how you guys think.
It's not about thinking, it's about facts.
Here's UK EU trade since 1999, goods and services are at all time highs
In the first term of a Labour government they will maybe be a bit less hostile towards the EU but they won't be re-joining or anything. They'll have no mandate to do so since they worry putting it in a manefesto would alienate their red-wall voters.
As it currently looks Labour won't do much of anything at all. Continue tory spending plans, refuse to raise any taxes, not rebuild any schools, not make any changes which may affect the social order or reform capitalism in any way.
Expect 4 years of calm with almost nothing happening. Which in itself will be quite a relief.
I'm guessing they don't want to piss off their voter base so they wonttsay anything and continue the Tory policy of making the best out of a shite situation?
Tory policy of making a shite situation out of the best
Or that 🤣
I think they'll push to join the customs union
Whatever the rich people they serve tell them to
With ol’ Keir ‘industry plant’ Starmer at the helm? Not a single useful thing.