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I will say I do like Voyager's engineering room better. The warp core doesn't make much sense but it looks cool.
Of all the main show ships, Voyager always seemed the most comfortable to me.
I know a lot of people say the Enterprise-D is their comfy choice, but that ship seems so massive that actually imagining living in it is anxiety inducing. It's like being trapped inside a cruise ship or something. Voyager has the amenities but is not so massive and I like the interior color palette better.
The D is just huge and chunky
I personally think it one of the more ugly ships
The Galaxy class is a monument to Starfleet's hubris.
I know I have a hot take but I personally never cared for TNG. I feel like that probably is why I don't care for the ship. It is all a little to much flamboyance.
Maybe I should go back and watch TNG. It has been many years wince I always go for VOY, DS9 or ENT.
TNG had to essentially build the foundations of modern Trek as it went along. All the following shows had the advantage of being able to use TNG as a baseline to bounce against. That makes TNG the de facto "vanilla" flavored Trek show compared to the other shows that could take some exotic approach to differentiate themselves from it.
Best model for sure.
I think it would be cool if they made a Star Trek with the old style special effects and style. I want a relay computer with physical tapes.
Perhaps not exactly 60s style, but I am a fan of big chunky space technology. It always stood out to me in Battlestar Galactic that they used old, chunky military field radio handsets.
I like the idea of having physical buttons and mechanical shut offs. In the original series there are mechanical switch and dials that control mechanical indicators. Strange new worlds would of been more appealing to me if it was closer to the original set.
SNW threads the needle well for the costumes, sick bay, and bridge. I do think engineering looks preposterous and should have been much more compact.
It's a difficult thing to make a setting that still looks futuristic but also ties back to the 1960s. If you do it one-for-one it will be distractingly campy. Fun for a one off episode like that time in ENT where they found a TOS era ship, but for a whole show trying to be serious it would be distracting. The other extreme is whatever the heck Discovery did with its designs, which are just eye watering.
ENT had a really nice engineering set that harkened back to TOS while vibing as more low tech. SNW should have used ENT as a guide I think for engineering.
I dunno, the 1701-A is a sexy bitch.
The saucer is overly big
Give me balanced sizes please
I never watched star trek, but I have always wondered what the interior of that ship is meant to be like. It seems so wildly impractical. Do any episodes give away much about the layout?
There have been tons and tons of diagrams, but in the show itself I think it communicates decently that most of what happens is in the saucer section. The bridge is clearly on top of the ship. The hallway sets tend to be curved to give the impression they are inside the saucer.
I don't know if it was ever stated, but I never questioned that engineering was down near the deflector dish, which is where it is in the diagrams. The warp nacelles are just giant engines. The shuttle bay is is the rear of the ship; I'm not sure if that was shown in the original footage, it's been a while since I've watched anything but the "touched up " version with CGI.
In TOS design logic, ships need two warp nacelles spaced left and right and they tend to be placed far away from the crew. This is a design consideration that is pretty consistent throughout TOS, so it is a design trying to communicate a logic of the technology. Thus, the Enterpise is a flying saucer with a giant external engine bolted on, more or less.
The logic of needing warp nacelles arranged like this has mostly been followed for the rest of Trek.
If you are small enough there is no saucer.
Also the Vulkan ships have a ring.
I suppose it is whatever fits the fancy of the production crew. I assume the ring shape also creates a stable warp field. Interestingly enough, I think the Defiant had the most function design.
I always really enjoyed when they would separate the saucer section in TNG, the whole 2(?) times they did it. I always thought that was a really cool concept and i liked the sleekness of the little warp fighter with the battle bridge.
In TOS design logic, ships need two warp nacelles spaced left and right
nacelles arranged like this has mostly been followed for the rest of Trek.
I'm aware. There has never been a requirement for a saucer, even in TOS, and I did not say that. But the nacelles are arranged at the extremes of the ships, even in compact designs in later Trek, which does follow the established logic. Vulcan rings are a rare exception to the left and right nacelles - covered under the word "mostly".
I was mostly just trying to provide some examples other designs. You are completely correct most ships (especially Earth ones) are the classic saucer design.
I always preferred the Refit model myself. The square nacelles just do it for me.
I often hear people discuss it as 1701-A, but that's technically incorrect. The original Refit still carried NCC 1701. 1701-A looked the same but was the second refit Constitution class to bear the name Enterprise.