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Senator Mike Rounds (R-SD) introduced the Returning Education to Our States Act, aiming to abolish the U.S. Department of Education, a long-time Republican goal aligned with Trump’s agenda.

The bill proposes redistributing the department’s $200 billion budget and responsibilities to other federal agencies and states, such as shifting federal student loans to the Treasury.

Critics warn this could undermine protections for students with disabilities and marginalized groups.

While the bill faces significant political hurdles, it reflects broader GOP efforts to reduce federal influence over education policy.

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[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 6 points 40 minutes ago

Republicans, pro-stupid since 1980!

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fine, just murder it already. Sorry we wanted society to have enlightenment. Sorry that got in the way of your insatiable greed.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 19 points 4 hours ago

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 25 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF, SOUTH DAKOTA.

You're a deadbeat state.

The federal share of South Dakota's state budget has been above 40% since 2021, when it spiked to 56%

The federal government provides aid to states and local governments in the form of grants for programs like education, transportation, and Medicaid. 

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Any bets on how far US will fall in global rankings? I am guessing maybe two or three places in the next five years

https://www.cee.org/newsevents/press-releases/index-excellence-stem-education-compares-us-students-global-competition

Why do some people think that smart immigrants would want to come to the US if the general population is hard to deal with? What part of quality of life do they not understand?

Okay, let’s take some prosaic examples.

— H1-B visa man goes to a restaurant. Restaurant staff are racists, QOL degrades, H1-B visa man rethinks staying long term in the U.S.

— H1-B visa man enrolls children in private school. Private school staff is religious fundies, and education at a public level would be cheaper and better in another country. QOL degrades, H1-B visa man decides to move from the U.S.

For most skilled immigrants the calculus is based around money and what they get out of it, you shouldn’t expect there’s any intrinsic worth to staying in the U.S. if standards are shit and qualify of life degrades.

So in simple terms, you’ll have dumber people on average in house and smarter people on average in other countries.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Hell, who is going to want to come study in the US on a visa if we have mass deportations going on? It’s a pretty safe bet that many of those visa holders will get stopped and challenged multiple times by roaming gangs of thugs looking for illegal immigrants to haul away. And it’s also a pretty safe bet that some of them will simply claim the visas are fake or otherwise invalid and make those students lives miserable as they try to sort things out.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 27 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Critics warn this could undermine protections for students with disabilities and marginalized groups.

Meanwhile Republicans:

[–] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 hours ago

At first I thought, "ok they've got their mind made up no matter what, nothing can convince them" Then I realized it meant they were enjoying marginalized students being at a bigger disadvantage. Clever panel.

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Trump (and Republicans) love the poorly educated. This is all part of their plan to keep people stupid so they're easily manipulated, thus keeping the GOP in power.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

This is all part of their plan to keep people stupid

and poor from unplanned pregnancies they don't want and can't abort, and future unplanned pregnancies due to lack of contraceptives.

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago

This is the chance for one underpaid government tech worker to delete the wrong folder in the transfer and erase the debt

[–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 23 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

well, duh. it's the natural progression of the gops war on education theyve been waging since the 60s. turns out it's way easier to get people to vote for you if you master propaganda and refuse to teach people critical thought.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I know it has an potential to cause great harm, but maybe we should get back to intelligence (or even basic reality) tests, and then weight votes proportional to the score.

Just some agree/disagree statements...

The earth is shaped more like a sphere than a disc.

The human beings have never landed on the moon.

The 2020 general election was fair, and without meaningful fraud.

The efficacy of vaccines are well documented, going back over 100 years.

I'm sure we can come up with a lot.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

They done great job too. Not only does my mega family now believe that moon landing was faked, but that the earth is flat. Seriously they are getting dumber by the second. All based on where they get their information.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 53 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Ok yes I’m concerned about marginalized and disabled students, but I’m mostly concerned about Americans being too damn dumb already

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

But can they actually be made dumber?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

They re-elected the guy who gave the department of education to a member of the Amway (prolific pyramid scheme) family, so honestly I’m not going to say no, but the rich have clearly started tossing industrial excavation tools into the hole we find ourselves in.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 20 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

10 mins later: Mississippi is introducing a mandated co-op middle and high school. Where students only need to be in class 2 days a week and get hands on experience in desirable fields such as farming/agriculture. You just have to work 2 days a week to make sure you get your credits to get to the next grade!

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Don't read up on "no child left behind" then, it's been a huge reason a ton of kids are basically illiterate. Our dept of education doesn't need to be abolished, it needs to be properly funded, so more schools can be built and teachers can be paid more with smaller class sizes.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Are you just repeating what you hear on Fox News? There are lots of reasons to object to NCLB, but lower standards isn’t one of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Uhh no, I talk with teachers, two of which are family members. The fuck? Just because someone is against a bullshit law doesn't make them a repub who watches faux news...the hell.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's not funding, we give more money per student than any other country in the world. We just suck at it and nobody gives a fuck except the teachers - no admins, no students, and no parents.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

While this is true, the funding is heavily disproportionately handed out...and yea misused. You can see it in schools for the richer neighborhoods and then the poor ones as well.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

Duh. That's because :

“The federal Department of Education has never educated a single student, and it’s long past time to end this bureaucratic department that causes more harm than good,” Rounds said

/s

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 43 points 18 hours ago

Traitors, all of them.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 67 points 20 hours ago

These people are just such pieces of shit. They truly want to destroy this country and give a decisive lead to the likes of China.

Letting states like Texas run rampant with teaching total bullshit like creationism without any restraint whatsoever is going to further down this country and we might as well cede all advances to other countries.

[–] Supernova1051@sh.itjust.works 103 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

fuck every republican who voted for this.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 64 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

fuck every republican ~~who voted for this~~.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 50 minutes ago

Not even if I wasn't ace.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 29 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. I've been saying for years that no Republican should be allowed into office, and I stand by that.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Absolutely no politician deserves a seat at the very table they are trying to destroy.

No Republican (with the exception of two -- Romney and Cheney) has condemned J6 and until they do, they absolutely should not get to sit in office.

Yet...here we are.

[–] anas@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

No Republican […] has not condemned J6

Double negative :P

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 83 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

Let's think this through... The US Department of Education's functions are primarily:

  1. Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.
  2. Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.
  3. Focusing national attention on key educational issues.
  4. Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.

(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education)

Regarding #1, blue states don't receive nearly as much in financial aid for schools as red states. So abolishing the DOE will reduce the tax burden on citizens living in blue states, at the expense of schools in red states.

Regarding #2, without the DOE compiling this information, it will be up to schools themselves and private research organizations. Badly-performing, severely under-funded schools in red states will, of course, not be able to. Not that they would want to anyway, because without federal assistance, these schools will be in a state of collapse.

Regarding #3, blue states will just focus attention on key educational issues for themselves, while red states focus on fixing their problems by getting bibles into classrooms.

Regarding #4, red states will rapidly descend into systematic discrimination again.

End result: No one will want to hire "graduates" from red states.

This is a self-own of astonishing proportions. The blue states that don't heavily depend on the DOE will manage, while the educational infrastructure in the red states completely falls apart. And businesses in need of skilled employees who can, y'know, read will recruit primarily in blue states.

And the leopards will roam freely through the streets of MAGA-America, feasting on faces in unprecedented numbers.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Why would you believe taxes will be reduced? We gave fascists power, they don't have to negotiate anymore.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

As a teacher, I have a really strong aversion to framing this as a simple battle between states.

What you're talking about may well come to pass, but in reality what it means is that an entire generation of children in poor states -- through no fault of their own, but solely because of the geography of their birth -- will be woefully undereducated and therefore not competitive in the university admissions process or the job market.

Whatever face-feasting-leopard karma we think the adults who voted for Republicans might deserve, their children should have the right to a proper education rather than be saddled with a legacy of poverty and ignorance. And in your scenario it's apparently going to be up to the blue states to care enough about these kids to help ensure their rights.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

We gave power to someone who has explicitly stated that he wants to be a dictator. We don't have political power anymore, and we never will again. It's not about relishing in failure, it's about accepting reality.

Good luck in either the revolution or the collapse, I don't think we have more than a decade until then.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 3 points 7 hours ago

You describe the already present situation, on a global scale.

I'm waiting, and expecting, in about 10 to 15 years, blue states will start to limit immigration from those states, as the Federal government will have been neutered too much to stop it.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

...abolishing the DOE will reduce the tax burden on citizens living in blue states...

There's no such thing as a "federal education funding tax" applied to each state to collectively fund education across the whole country.

The IRS will collect the same federal tax that it always has, but Republicans will funnel the former federal public education money to their pet projects: "crisis pregnancy centers," the military, more tax cuts for billionaires, vouchers for discriminatory private schools, etc.

Therefore the Blue states will get even less federal funding in return for the federal taxes that their economies generate, but by no means will their federal tax burden go down.

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The guy is from South Dakota. You know, the state known for being one of the Dakotas.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago

I've heard it called "the lesser of the Dakotas"

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago

And the leopards will roam freely through the streets of MAGA-America, feasting on faces in unprecedented numbers.

Yeah, but those that were dumbed down by this system will be more numerous and will vote for qons even harder, dragging all of us down with them.

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[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Ahh, the ate-too-much-lead-as-a-child-mental-illness-party strikes again

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Easiest way to keep voters dumb. The GOP relies on people voting against their own best interests.

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