this post was submitted on 27 Nov 2024
72 points (97.4% liked)

Ukraine

8322 readers
725 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

*Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.

*No content depicting extreme violence or gore.

*Posts containing combat footage should include [Combat] in title

*Combat videos containing any footage of a visible human must be flagged NSFW

Server Rules

  1. Remember the human! (no harassment, threats, etc.)
  2. No racism or other discrimination
  3. No Nazis, QAnon or similar
  4. No porn
  5. No ads or spam (includes charities)
  6. No content against Finnish law

Donate to support Ukraine's Defense

Donate to support Humanitarian Aid


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I think I can say that the ruble is in free fall

top 34 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/USD-RUB

109.5 now(11:40 CET) with a clear upwards trajectory.
The trajectory points to it passing 110 soon maybe even 111 by the end of day, if the Russian central bank doesn't do something to intervene.

Looking at the 6 month graph, shows more clearly that it's really bad:
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/USD-RUB?window=6M

Going from 85 early August to about 110 now is a decline in value of 30% in 4 months. And from November 11 to today it's from 96 to 110, 14% in just over 2 weeks! It seems the Russian economy is imploding now.

PS:
Just to clarify: The graph going up means you get more Rubles for 1 US dollar. Meaning the value of the Russian Ruble is going down.

Edit:
12:30 CET Passed 110, pretty much as expected, which is why I already used that value in my calculations before it actually happened. πŸ˜‹

13:00 WTF! from 110 to 111 in just Β½ an hour, it's now declined 5% in a single day! And is still dropping!!

13:30 112.4 now! Another half hour another point!! I suspect the Central bank will respond to this soon. But it already seemed like they tried to support the Ruble yesterday, so maybe their reserves are running dry, so they can't?

14:10 114.5 Wow after seeming somewhat stable for almost half an hour, the crazy took it up an extra notch with 2 points in about 10 minutres, the decline for the day is now 8.5% !!

18:00 It seems to have stabilized around 113, The Russian central bank has made a public statement about halting purchase of foreign currency until 2025. I would imagine that would make foreign trade difficult? Early estimates are that the decline of the will cause inflation to increase from 8.5% to 10%.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/27/russian-central-bank-halts-currency-buying-until-2025-as-ruble-slides-a87147

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aaaand it's at 110 !

Even if it jumps back to 108 it would still be crazy bad. But who would invest like really invest not try to prop up the value artificially, in this train wreck? And it looks like the central bank have already played their cards ...

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

This is insane, 111 now, a drop of more than 5% in a single day!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I love how we can (almost) use percentage and points interchangeably today 😁

[–] credo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

113 RN (27%/6 mo)

Edit: Links aren’t working at the moment. Did Google remove the chart [at Russia’s behest]?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You don't have to post the image of the graph I linked to myself.
The 30% I stated is from August to when the rate was 110 today.

Edit: Both links I posted work fine here.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is a time/place/reason for captures. For example, I just pointed out the link wasn’t working. (But it is again)

Thanks though!

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The Rubel is not freely traded. The Central Bank sets the exchange rates.

EDIT: exchange rate not interest rates. Shit.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's how it is for all currencies.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

OK that makes more sense, but although Russia has done a lot to restrict trade with their currency, and they do a lot to stabilize it, it's still a traded currency.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 week ago

Looks like it. Russia's economy is collpasing right now. I just hope the Saudis loose their shit and start lowering the oil price. They are actually pissed at the Russians for not actually lowering production as agreed in OPEC+. That would kill the Russian economy.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, or how does that idiom go?

Let's see if the current prediction around stagflation in the russian economy plays out (I very much hope it comes true).

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Currently stagflation is not a prediction, it's already clearly happening.
And it's the bad kind of stagflation, where production isn't even stagnant but declining.
We know for sure this is already happening in a big way in the food sector for major household items like eggs, butter, sugar and potatoes. With price hikes up to 70%, while the inflation is claimed to be "only" about 8%, which is twice the target of the Russian central bank. But in reality it's probably way more.

[–] 100@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

putler really fucks over everyone but the very elite with his destructive vanity projects

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Even the Elite is being fucked over, their values like real estate is being confiscated all over the world, they can't sail their luxury yachts internationally, and the value of the companies they own are being bled by Putin to support the war.
Obviously the elite is still filthy rich, but a lot of the privileges they used to enjoy have been taken away.

But the poor are really suffering (as always), if you are on a state pension, you very likely don't have enough to eat properly already.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess what I really meant is more downstream, global impacts from stagflation.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what you mean "downstream", and I doubt there will be any global impact from Russian stagflation. Globally Russia is not a very important economy, and they're already heavily sanctioned.

Ironically, if Putin had chosen cooperation with the west in 1991 instead of confrontation, Russia would have been the leading economy in Europe now, and Russia could have been as important to Europe as Germany!
But the Moron Putin chose to burn it all the fuck down. Because apparently being #1 in Europe wasn't good enough!?!?

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Downstream, global in the cotext of the russian economy. Things like bank failures, significant drawdowns from reserved. Etc.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

OK if the banks fail too, it will be a VERY quick and hard crash. I must admit I have no idea how the banks are doing.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

That was my initial feeling when it broke through the 100 barrier (against Putins orders) and went all the way to 103.

Last week lol.

[–] some_boring_username@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That "Black Friday sale – Up to 70 % off" ad in the screenshot is well placed...

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ruble about to experience weightlessness

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's an amazing metaphor, it's a very clever way to say the Russian Central bank is losing their grip, and somehow it's kind of hilarious, imagining the Ruble as a free floating balloon out of control. πŸ˜‹ πŸ‘

[–] blackn1ght 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Eli5: What are the consequences for the Russian government if this trend continues and they can't stop it?

[–] noride@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Didn't you hear? Prominent Lemmy propagandists have assured us numerous times the sanctions aren't working and the Russian economy is actually booming!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If it hits 120 it will be at the same level as when the Soviet Union caputted... You draw the conclusion ☺️

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well deserved for that Zrada from 2014

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Had to look up Zrada, and it seems we are in agreement here!

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

The ultra thin layer of relevant government will always be fine, they are encrusted in luxury and will never face any troubles, like the NK rulers and other dictators.

The people in ruzzia are fucked, their economy will be toast, and this will make this shitty war more and more unbearable.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago