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History Ruins

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What is a ruin? We’re running off of “You know it when you see it” at the moment. Ruins should be non-functioning structures of some age, or their function reduced to tourism and the like.

Generally speaking, specific items from a ruin should go to !historyartifacts@lemmy.world

Illustrations of ruins (or their reconstructions) should go to !historyillustrations@lemmy.world

Photos of ruins back when they were functioning should go to !HistoryPorn@lemmy.world

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[–] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We could be turning this world into such a beautiful place! But what are we doing? We keep producing skinny jeans

[–] daikiki@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's pretty, but it was built for purely practical reasons. This is an old towpath, and the bridge is designed in such a fashion that horses towing barges can switch sides without having to unhitch.

[–] odium@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why did you have to say that? Now my evening after work is gonna be spent looking at diagrams and videos of how this would work. I have no mental image of what a horse towing a barge would look like.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Surprisingly simple! I grew up near an old towpath that was converted into a hiking trail.

The rope configuration keeps it straight despite the horse being 'off-center'.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

These are great! Thanks Pug!

[–] odium@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

muchos gracias

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did these guys really walk directly behind these horses? Do they die when the horse freaks out and kicks?

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well probably just kept an eye on it from the boat.

The real killer was when you approached a canal tunnel a few miles long with no side path. You'd send the horse on ahead to the exit of the tunnel with a rider, and then you and two of your besties would lay back against the top and sides of the boat with your feet against the tunnel arch and walk the boat through in pitch black darkness.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah there was a post on Lemmy some time back about people doing this. You’d think they would keep a lantern handy for such an occasion though.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

I figured the rudder would also be used to keep the boat straight.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Also, when horses weren't available, people would pull the boats.

[–] lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Fascinating. Thanks for the images!

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You're looking for canal boats. Back in Ye Olden Days, waterways were the preferred method of transporting cargo because land movement took much more effort (and also frequently involved hills and such). If a large industry cropped up in a place where it wasn't convenient or possible to recreate it elsewhere, and the landscape allowed it, they'd build a canal to allow easier shipping of larger amounts of material. They'd also sometimes build canals next to rivers, so that the water would be slower and it'd be easier for a boat to move both up- and down-stream. Think of places like the B&O Canal or the Erie Canal, or the Intercoastal Waterway.

It's possible for someone to barge-pole a boat around a canal, but a more efficient method was to have a horse or mule harnessed to the boat, walking right next to the canal. They'd walk the canal-side towpath, pulling the boat, while the humans then only had to steer the mule and the boat.

What's likely happening in this picture is that there's a cliff or some other hazard that prevents the towpath from continuing on the right side of the canal. A bridge would be very convenient there anyway, to move the mule to the other side of the river, and if you're building a custom bridge anyway, why not build it so that you don't need to really disturb the team anyway, they can just keep going? It's a really cool idea!

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

A pair of horses or mules could move around 20-30tons of goods with a canal boat. The same pair would have a maximum load of 2-3 tons in a carriage.

Before trains, it was the most efficient way to move heavy loads over long distances.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Back in Ye Olden Days, waterways were the preferred method of transporting cargo because land movement took much more effort (and also frequently involved hills and such).

And nowadays they're parking lots of floating tiny-houses for people who can't otherwise afford to live anywhere near London, apparently.

[–] GreatAlbatross 2 points 1 month ago

And for storing old shopping trollies.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do they do when another boat is coming in the opposite direction?

[–] MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wait for them to pass. These things move at like 3mph so you get plenty of warning

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 month ago

Lift one boat's rope over the other boat.

[–] GiveOver 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fun fact, an interest in canals is called "Gongoozling"

[–] icon4691@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for mentioning this! I just remembered that I learned it from "Rosemary & Thyme" The Gongoozlers (TV Episode 2004). Fun mystery series that I highly recommend.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

An awfully large number of things that are now considered 'historical scenic attractions' and 'an integral part of the landscape' were originally built entirely for practical purposes with almost no consideration for aesthetics. Especially bridges and other infrastructure. See also steam trains.

But you try and build new infrastructure and everyone wants to spend 3x the cost on architectural design, screening, or tunnel it underground entirely.

[–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I beg to differ on the abject lack of aesthetic consideration. I’ve skimmed through old construction manuals and from even the surface it seems old masters of the building craft were obsessed with the blending of aesthetics and function

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I think it was because the balance between materials and labor costs was different back then. If everything was being handmade by artisans anyway, why not let them make it look nice while they're at it? Besides, without machine precision, ornamentation is probably quicker and easier than straight lines in a lot of cases.

(See also: traditional architectural styles vs. modernism.)

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 month ago

Buildings yes.

I'm not so sure about infrastructure, especially things like steel girder bridges.

[–] GiveOver 4 points 1 month ago

There's also a reasonable chance that the barges being towed were involved in the manufacture of jeans

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

A Hobbit built this.

[–] kenoh@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reminds me of airborne for some reason. If it was smooth it'd make a killer run on blades.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Holy crap! Young Jack Black and Seth Green.

That is the most 90s trailer I’ve ever seen.

I’m gonna watch this movie. I’ll hate it, but love it too. I’m certain of that.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

This movie is peak 90s. Holy throwback.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

So that’s where New Zealanders get their hobbit zeal from.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This image gives me deja vu

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

I just been this place before!

[–] Kryptkravler@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Same for me. For some reason it made me think of Laurel and Hardy. What's up with that?

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago