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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When first reading "a man likes to feel like a man", i thought it was about trans men

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's the perfect answer, IMHO.

More in general, it's not up to others to change the way they act to feed somebody else's self-delusions of having some kind of quality they do not have.

I've actually had to deal with something somewhat parallel to this when I moved from The Netherlands (whose people are known for being blunt) to Britain (were everything is sugarcoated and people are evasive, the higher the social class the worst it gets) and then proceeded to go around unknowingly insulting just about every insecure person I met in that place by giving them my blunt opinion on what they cared about, without evasiveness or sugarcoating.

The balance I found was to stop giving my opinion unless asked and if asked by somebody who didn't know my ways yet, give them a notice ("I used to live in The Netherlands so just point out ways in which things can be improved, but that doesn't mean I think they're bad") and then proceed to give them my blunt opinion.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I have to feel that "a woman needs to feel like a woman" wouldn't get a similar reaction.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It sounds like something terfs would say to explain why being a tradwife is good and desirable.

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[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

That sort of could be interpreted as "a woman needs to know her place".

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm not so sure. If I went around standing at doors waiting for them to be opened for me, I think it might get laughed at.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Traditionally, societal opionions of how a woman should be involved her making herself appealing to men before married and submissive to her husband afterwards.

I would even say that "a man needs to feel like a man" and "a woman needs to feel like a woman" are two sides of the same original coin - it's just that in modern days the latter is frowned upon much more (though, sadly, a lot of people still go around with an interiorized version of it) than the former.

That sounds very TERF IMO, they're also hated

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[–] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Just don't cast shit on a man that's had enough of it from his work or society. Sometimes we just want to feel human.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A man likes to feel ~~like~~ a man

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[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

~~I need to feel like a man.~~ I need someone to hold me tight for a moment.

[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

I need to feel ~~like~~ a man

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Funny thing: only ever heard women say this

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Some women are the most toxic perpetuators a patriarchy in a backwards way

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's not "patriarchy", it's the collective of the social norms and pressures put in place by, perpetrated by, and maintained by, the majority of both sexes. The word implies it's males' fault society is the way it is, which is demonstrably bullshit.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

because its not only men perpetuating this shit, some just put up with it and guide younger women on how to gently move things along and the flimsy little dude forgets and gets mad about the next dumb thing. Literally my parents...

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[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

LOL! Almost that exact phrase is what I use whenever my wife asks me why I'm peeing outside in my backyard instead of just going inside to the bathroom.

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[–] doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

But maybe you could still pretend I am a strong man every once in a while anyway? As a treat?
no... oh... okay...

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Normalize feeling like a man as somebody who is given space to feel anything beyond anger or shame. A man needs to feel like he can talk about things on his mind at any given time, to anybody he trusts. A man is somebody who can cry when he is hurting, and it be okay; that he won’t be labeled as weak or a coward.

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[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Pride come before the fall

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[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I mean it’s right there in the quote. They want to feel like a man. They don’t actually want to be one.

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