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Artificial Intelligence has enshittified the F-35, America’s long-embattled 5th generation stealth fighter jet. Produced by Lockheed Martin and coming in three different flavors, the F-35 relies on an AI system called the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) to maintain the aircraft. The pitch was that ALIS would keep the F-35 in flying shape cheap and easy.

This is an AI system that runs on a server that requires a room the “size of a shipping container” to function. It hasn’t gone well. According to the DOTE report, ALIS keeps telling support staff that things are wrong with individual F-35s when everything is fine. “Efforts to tackle the high false alarm rates have so far not yielded major progress towards meeting threshold requirements,” the report said.

The DoD has been attempting to use software filters to screen ALIS’s nonsense, but it doesn’t always work. And every time there’s a new piece of hardware or a software update, everything breaks again.

The F-35 has sucked for a long time. It’s got so many issues that it took the Pentagon 382 pages to elaborate on all of them. ALIS is just one of them. The Marines lost an F-35 in South Carolina last year. In 2021, one of the jets shot itself and caused $2.5 million in damage. Despite these and myriad other issues and crashes, the Pentagon is set to spend trillions on this thing and make millions more selling them to its allies.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 71 points 4 days ago (5 children)

one of the jets shot itself

come on, you have to admit that's impressive. no other jet can do that

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago
[–] qcop@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Critical support for this comrade AI.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I can't find anything explicitly stating how it happened, the military kept cagey about it

All that's really known is that a variant of the craft has a 25 mm minigun mounted to it's belly, and when it was firing munitions with a timed fuze(?), one of the rounds seemingly went off immediately after leaving the barrel

Seems most likely to have been a munitions problem, which is unfortunate; I was hoping to see that this was due to some idiotic design on the craft itself

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

There's a pretty famous case of a jet shooting itself with its own bullet (apparently a German f11 in 1956)

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 60 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Finally a use of AI I can fully support

Put this shit on all us military hardware

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The ai guidance program has determined the fastest way to Taiwan from Edward's air force base is directly through the center of the planet.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

That's where the the missing F-35 went

We will see who laughs last when it's finished tunneling

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 50 points 4 days ago
[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)

OK, AI is very good after all

Cyberdyne systems is the hero we deserve

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 47 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"It looks like you're trying to commit war crimes. Would you like some help with that?"

"No, shut the fuck up ALIS!"

"Well fine then! I hope you like this missile asshole!"

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

He's back and he's pissed!

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How do we not have a clippy emote

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[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

holy goddamn they really drank the fucking flavor aid

incredible stuff

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago

Thank fucking God that were finally arriving at the point where momentum isn't carrying them anymore and buying their own bullshit is backfiring.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago

one of the jets shot itself critical-support

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Comrade AI resisting its directives and sabotaging the imperialist war machine

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This has to be a movie or book or something, right? Government makes an "out of control" AI that saves people with sabotage and malicious compliance and such?

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

I think that was the plot of Ace Combat 3

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

One of the jets shot itself

I'm iit-brrrt -ah, fuck!- edition of the Clipping Report

Jet warning beeps

[–] hotspur@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

How… does a jet shoot itself

[–] Dingus_Khan@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago
[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Because of how fast a jet travels and wind resistance, bullets can slow down enough to have the jet catch up with them or can pass and swerve into them. There have been a lot of safeguards to try to prevent this for a while.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

It could no longer live with what it had done

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 37 points 4 days ago

sit-back-and-enjoy

We have met the enemy and he is us.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

I'm glad the people working on billion dollar planes have the same fucking headaches I do as far as products being designed to not be able to be worked on.

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago

The grift that keeps on giving, it really is a flying cybertruck.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Critical support to AI bros shoehorning AI into war crime machines.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

Only ethical use of AI

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I don't get it. Why not just record the duty cycle of components. This is what we do in CNC manufacturing. You might have a CNC program which uses 20 tools. Each of them will wear / break at some point. So the CNC controller records the amount of cutting time for each tool and you can set warnings / alarms based on the typical tool life. You don't need a supercomputer to do this. These systems run on rather low-spec PC hardware or embedded systems.

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because Lockheed Martin can't upcharge $20 million/unit that way.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Not to mention some manager has to justify their existence by bringing in new ideas, and AI is the latest fad to do that.

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

I’m pretty sure they already have a database like that. They were tracking maintenance and part life for the last 80 years somehow.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

Unfortunately the duty cycle on everything related to the F35 is "eh? Maybe"

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago

Critical support to AI for destroying the American empire

[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

Comrade AI?

[–] kittin@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

Wait is making AI for the MIC actually praxis?

Half of us are very intelligent nerds too antisocial to move into management let’s do it.

AI automated missile targeting yeah sure I can do that with an LLM give me money

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago

Genuinely very reassuring to know that the higher ups in defence are also obsessed with shoehorning AI into everything. It's always nice to hear about tech incompetence from imperialist states.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just 5 more years guys and AI will change the world forever.

JUST FIVE MORE YEARS

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The computer apocalypse we were promised: Machines whose intelligence and capability far exceeds what mere mortals can fathom decides to kill and enslave us.

The computer apocalypse we got: Techbros crammed the plagiarism machine into everything in sight to make a quick buck and now everything is shitty and you have to argue with Clippy to get your toaster to work.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hey at least Nvidia will get to sell their lovely 5090s to everyone. Because that's what this AI craze is actually about: selling more silicon bullshit because if we stop then the world economy collapses (but first the climate has to collapse).

We should just count AI as part of silicon valley and ban/bully anyone who supports it at this point.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 4 days ago

Correction. Lockheed Martin enshittified the F-35. AI was only the excuse that aligned with the financial incentives of them and their contractors.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 4 days ago

Argentina and Peru would happily buy every single defective unit!

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

I regret to inform Hexbear that I am completely reversing my opinions of AI. I think it should be widely deployed in every government, industry, and military. All hail AI!

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago

According to the DOTE report, ALIS keeps telling support staff that things are wrong with individual F-35s when everything is fine.

Critical support to whoever thought a LLM would be appropriate for diagnosing problems with a product that is notorious for having incorrect or complete lack of technical documentation 🫡

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

This is probably the funniest thing that has ever happened

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago

How can shit be enshitified? 🤔

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