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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 144 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Well, you see, the "Anti Magic Rock" Lobby has immense amount of power because of the money of the still lucrative "burning stuff and pollute everything" business.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 30 points 1 week ago

It's the "Burning other magic rocks" party.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 119 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Burning down your house doesn't poison people thousands of years later, so it's not a perfect analogy.

Plus we have magic mirrors and magic fans that do the same thing as the magic rocks just way cheaper.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We’ve upgraded from burning our houses down to burning our atmosphere down which will absolutely poison humans for centuries to come. And since we now burn larger fires with black rocks, those release far more magic rock dust that poisons people than the magic rock water heaters do. Not to mention that fire has both killed more of us cave dwellers than magic rocks ever have (including the flying weaponry runes made from them) and have caused more ecological disasters, so fire is much worse.

Then we talk magic mirrors, they have evil rocks in them that get in our rivers and we don’t contain well. That aside, we show tradition to our ancestors by making much of them with slavery.

And the magic fans? The design is very human. They’d be a gift from the gods if only the spirit of the wind were always with us.

Summary: Magic rock still good, black rocks and black water make bad fire and hairless monkey make sick more.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then we talk magic mirrors, they have evil rocks in them that get in our rivers and we don’t contain well. That aside, we show tradition to our ancestors by making much of them with slavery.

Sure, because mining uranium is total helaty and no problem at all.

https://genesenvironment.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s41021-015-0019-3

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[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 91 points 1 week ago (38 children)

1000005010. Don't feed the troll 💩

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[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Funny how nuclear power plants are taboo, but building thousands of nuclear warheads all over the globe is no issue.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 week ago (36 children)

Funny how building nuclear power plants that can only (if you have dipshits running them) kill a nearby city is taboo, but climate change that will kill everyone is acceptable to the moralists.

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[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You're right to reject the logic behind that because it's nonsense. Its not making sense to them because they still presume some kind of good faith when it come to these sorts of things.

The reason we haven't built more nuclear power stations is because oil, gas and coal companies will make less money, if we build more nuclear power stations.

They have the means, the motive and they have a well recorded history of being that cartoonishly villainous. Nothing else makes sense.

[–] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Three Mile Island and Chernobyl really did change things. Prior to those incidents there were plans to build over 50 more nuclear plants in place which got canceled as a result. Currently oil and gas industries will do all they can to keep nuclear from making a come back, but for a long time they didn't have to do shit thanks to those catastrophes.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Anon is dumb. Anon forgets the nuclear waste. Anon also forgets that the plants for the magical rocks are extremely expensive. So much that energy won by these rocks is more expensive than wind energy and any other renewable.

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 46 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It's sad that the coal lobby has convinced so many people that the most reliable clean energy source we've ever discovered is somehow bad.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Particularly since coal power stations emit FAR more radioactive material, routinely, than most nuclear "leaks".

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Step 1: Get magic rocks.

Step 2: Now design the rest of the nuclear reactor.

[–] 667@lemmy.radio 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Paraphrased but this is right.

And the people were taught to talk about the horrible nuclear accidents that killed a few but completely glance over the unimaginable millions perished in the name of oil, mustn't even mention the mass extinction events we launched with oil.

We even spread exaggerated bullshit about radiation mutation (wtf? thats superhero comic books fiction!!) and cancer rates (only one really), ignoring how much overwhelmingly more of the both we get from fossil fuel products.

We are like prehistoric people going extinct bcs of the tales how generations ago someone burned down their house so fire bad. Well, actually not like that - we are taking with us a lot of species & entire ecosystems too.

[–] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's more like "Bob and Jim died in a fire a while ago, so everyone decided to put up with heaps of people dying to hypothermia and uncooked meat"

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The local undertaker family tells the story about Bob and Jim once a week to the whole village (attendance is mandatory).

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[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The problem isn't that they exploded one time. The problem is that that one explosion is still happening and likely will be for quite a while.

On the other hand, modern rock exploding plant designs are so much better that it's very unlikely to repeat itself, so there's that.

[–] Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

I'm sure the other rock/liquid/gas burning plants have had no issues along their lifetime and had no hand in demonizing the "new" slowly exploding rock technology after extreme negligence let the one big one happen. /s

I'd take the band aid of nuclear in my backyard vs what we rely on now after learning all of the insider knowledge of someone who personally worked in energy generation that did all of this plus renewables almost their entire professional life.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago

That is an extreme over simplification of a very complicated subject, it's never that simple.

Having said that: yeah. It was stupid to stop using nuclear energy

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I always wonder where we would actually be at as a civilization if it weren't for fuckass lobbyists and money hoarding greedy assholes. This is a perfect example. If we'd learned from our mistakes and actually improved on nuclear energy there's no telling where we'd be at this point.

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 30 points 1 week ago (16 children)

One time? Wikipedia says over 100 serious incidents and lists about 30 of them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents&wprov=rarw1

It's fine if you like nuclear, just don't try and claim it was one time. It poses serious risk and should be treated as such.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most of those didn't involve the magic rocks, and most didn't hurt anyone.

More people die creating the building materials for a powerplant (or a windmills, or a solar panel) than ever during operation. The numbers really don't matter.

I honestly don't care what we do, as long as we stop burning coal, oil and gas. The way I see it, every nuclear plant and windmill means we all die a little later.

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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Look up deaths per kWHr of different energy sources and come back to me

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[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Right in the heart of it is an itty bitty windmill and that just don't sit right with me" - That one cousin at Thanksgiving

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Not even a joke, that's a very concise way to put the argument.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (7 children)

TBF a nuclear incident is not like burning just one house down. It’s burning down the whole city and making it unusable for a decade or ten.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago (6 children)

No it's about nuclear waste and where to store it, it's about how expensive it is to build a nuclear power plant (bc of regulations so they don't goo boom) and it's about how much you have to subsidize it to make the electricity it produces affordable at all. Economically it's just not worth it. Renewables are just WAY cheaper.

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 60 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Funny how people think waste is why we don't use nuclear power.

You noticed how we're all fine breathing in poison and carcinogens? Still haven't banned burning fossil fuels.

It's a money problem and a PR problem

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Just because burning fossil fuels is bad doesn't magically make nuclear good, or somehow no big deal. The chance for a catastrophic accident mentioned in the meme is only one drawback (which is bad enough--get real, denial is not a strategy here). Just a few other issues:

  • the problem of what to do with the waste: no permanent solutions have yet been implemented and we've been using costly-to-maintain "temporary" methods for decades. Not to mention the thermal water pollution to aquatic ecosystems

  • the enormously out of proportion up front costs to construct the plants, and higher ongoing operation and maintenance costs due to safety risks in proportion to amount of power generated

  • the fact that uranium is also a limited resource that has to be mined like other ores, with all the environmental negatives of that, which then has to go through a lot of processing involving various mechanics and chemicals just to make it usable as fuel.

Anyway I'm not going to try and go into more detail on a forum post, but all this advocacy for a very problematic method of producing power as if it's a simple solution to our problems is kind of irritating. At least I hope the above shows we should stop pretending it's "clean energy". We should be focusing on developing renewable and sustainable energy systems.

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