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[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 16 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Calling zionism what it is shouldn't be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

At the same time I'd like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

Jewish Voices for Freedom is one group. I wonder how they'd feel about Twitches new policy. I'm genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 3 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago) (1 children)

If you had looked at the link of this post, you would have read:

Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

I.e. nothing is masqueraded here as long as they keep to this. This seems to be a reasonable policy. I've seen a couple of instances of people being derogatorily called zionists just for supporting the people of current Israel not being pushed away out of their now decades-old homes, which is hard to still call Zionist if they don't support any further expansion and any offensive military action.

There's almost never anything gained to use "Zionist" on someone as if saying "asshole".

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 2 points 36 minutes ago

I guess my pessimistic lens is a little strong and I generally don't trust large companies to act in good faith. So maybe I'm over scrutinizing here and being a bit of a curmudgeon.

I think your perspective is fair, and it's likely this is akin to a high school faculty dealing with some random word or idea becoming a meme of sorts and causing problems. So they have to write some new rule that sounds ridiculous or weird.

It sucks there's so much racism and bigotry driving forces in the world that it's hard to not be dubious of everything. You always kinda wonder about the actual motivation behind things like this.

[–] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 hour ago

At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 40 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Next, "apartheid" will be anti-Semitic.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Hey everybody has a right to a racist ethnostate how dare people criticize the idea.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago)

From the link of this post that you could have clicked on:

Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

[–] RiQuY@lemm.ee 13 points 4 hours ago

Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 25 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

It's great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And on top of that, pretty much all the platforms, even all the way down to this one, are censored in at least one increasingly-relevant way.

[–] djsaskdja@reddthat.com 1 points 31 minutes ago

At least we can still talk about butt stuff in peace.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 90 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Zionists really captured that platform.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm willing to get this will increase the amount of actual ethnic slurs.

[–] wertyuiop@feddit.rocks 11 points 3 hours ago

It's their goal. They want to conflate jewishness and israel because they need the world to be antisemitic.

Otherwise people would just leave.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 47 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Can we make Twitch a slur for terrible tech companies.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 20 points 7 hours ago

All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

OK, so people can use the definition instead. In fact it might be more useful.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 3 points 5 hours ago

Terrorists?

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev -2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm still not sure what it means, judging by the comments here it (murderer / terrorist etc) it does seem to be used as a slur. So yeah, using the definition instead would be useful.

[–] wertyuiop@feddit.rocks 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Terrorist isn't a slur. Or are you saying criticizing ISIS was biggoted?

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I just told you I I'm not sure of the definition, so asking me what I think it means is pointless. Though I'm pretty sure it's not a group you can join like ISIS, right?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago) (2 children)

They're saying that in the same way terrorist is not always a slur but is used as a slur sometimes, Zionist can be used as a slur. I think it's a fair take. It's odd to specifically list Zionist as a contextual slur when you can just say no slurs.

I don't know if I fully agree but that's their argument as I understand it.

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

Yup, that's it.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you refer to the Muslim man in the bomb vest as a terrorist its fine, if you refer to all muslim men as terrorists its a slur.

Refering to Israeli generals and politicians as Zionists is fine, If you refer to all Jewish people as Zionists...

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 1 points 46 minutes ago

I figured zionism had to do with an ideology, not a profession. Generalisations like these are not helping.

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Twitch has become garbage anyway. I’m more on Kick for streams nowadays.

Anyway wasn’t “Zionist” suppose to be a good term for these murderers? Whether they make it a banable word, screw them. Those who defend Israel, their genocidal actions and claim that the land “belongs to them, the colonizers” are Zionists.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Twitch is garbage, so you moved to a platform ran by a gambling company, where rules practically don't exist, and the majority of the userbase is vehemently sexist and racist? That's a level of mental gymnastics I genuinely will never understand

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 10 points 8 hours ago
[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 minutes ago

How about "genocidal assholes?" Can they still say that?