Well that's it for twitter then. Where the sex-work industry goes, so does the world
this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2024
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I thought you were talking about a new BlueSky instance called LibSky. I'm sure there'll be one (or there's already one)
itll be unironic too
" if you post tit, they will come"
Reminder than the term "blue sky" comes from the Blue Sky with White Sun flag of nationalist China. The Bluesky CEO's mom fled the country during the Cultural Revolution because she supported the KMT lol
Your posts are funny and informative. Hope you stick around.
Thanks Bob Dole. Idk why my parents didn’t vote for you in the 90s
Lol fitting right in
Y’all may or may not realize it but sex workers tend to be at the forefront of new tech trends and innovations.
You can take my Betamax tapes and HD DVDs from my cold dead hands.
SWers struggles against censorship, banking discrimination, and a whole slew of other issues have been the front line of digital repression for decades. Worth looking up the SESTA/FOSTA disaster. It's a key example of how efforts to supress sex work are usually just fancy social murder.
Yeah there’s this switcheroo tech companies do where they establish an initial value/user base on the adult content side of their platform but then try to pull the rug out from under it once they’ve hit critical mass and want access to more prudish investors’ money (see: OnlyFans’ aborted attempt to cull the hardcore content from their site).
This is definitely a thing, but I have a different take on OnlyFans in particular.
I don’t think they ever wanted to get porn off their platform. Unlike sites like Reddit and Twitter, they started as a porn site and they have always made all their money from porn. They really started raking it in during the height of COVID, and when the platform got huge, that started attracting unwanted attention from Big Banking. It’s difficult and expensive to maintain reliable credit card processing as an adult site because these big banks have very strict and ever-evolving puritanical rules about what types of content they’ll process payments for. Run afoul of these banks, lose the ability to process Visa and Mastercard, and your business is dead in the water.
By appearing to pivot away from hardcore content and aggressively promoting SFW creators, it’s easier to make the case to credit card companies that it’s not just a porn site.
OnlyFans makes an astronomical, disgusting amount of money. They know where their bread is buttered. It’s a soulless capitalist enterprise, they don’t give a shit about the “morality” or porn or anything else. Their only goal is to maximize profits, and every decision they make can and should be viewed through that lens. They don’t sell paid ads on their site so they don’t have to worry about advertisers pulling out the way sites like Reddit and Twitter do. Plus Reddit and Twitter were never making real money off adult content on their sites; we have always driven tons of traffic to their platforms but they don’t actually profit from our presence there beyond the traffic we bring, so it’s easy for them to discard us once the users are already there and invested. None of that is true for OnlyFans.
FWIW, this is not a popular take among my peers. Most seem to think OF is like the other tech companies that want to boot us once they get big enough. But I think there’s decent evidence that OF does not want to do that and will never do that. Not because they care about us or anything, but because our porn makes them hundreds of billions of dollars (probably.)
do banks have a material incentive to crack down on SW?
They're under a greatd deal of pressure from varying cults - catholics, mormons, christian fascists, that demand they starve sex workers for ideological reasons. And if you step back a bit that feeds in to the way occult organizations use control of legitimate sex as a whip to control people, which is a core tactic of patriarchy, which is an essential component of class oppression.
So it's a bit convoluted but yes.
As far as I know, not really. This is one piece of the puzzle I don’t understand: why do they care so much?
My best guess is that it’s due to the higher frequency of chargebacks on adult transactions, but they already mitigate this with high processing fees so I just don’t get it.
Maybe it's labor discipline? SW might put upward pressure on wages as employers compete with a form of lucrative self-employment available to millions of workers?
Hmmm, how do all the traditional porn sites avoid that issue? Do they have access to different processors? Or does the parasocial aspect mean OF has a lot of add-on services that blur the line between porn sex work and “sexual services” that the processors balk at?
They alllllll go through CCBill, more or less.
The traditional porn sites also struggle to retain payment processors and pay exorbitant transaction fees (10%+)
There has been a big crackdown recently due to the rise of Christofascism
(We’re trying to warn y’all about banking discrimination and the dangers of facial recognition technology too but that’s a subject for another post. Just know that they always test their hateful tech tools on us first, then roll them out for the respectables and normals.)
I look forward to that post!
Ugh so much pressure! 😭 I have some very smart colleagues who have written pieces on these issues. I will try to compile a few in a post here soon.
I think Vex Ashely and I want to say Lena Paul were both writing about these issues during the SESTA/FOSTA fiasco.
Oof. I have a bsky account I made a long time ago but I don't use it because the vibes over there are so rancid
It’s libbed up over there for sure, but membership has more than doubled in the past couple weeks so maybe there will be a shift or at least little enclaves of cool people, similar to Twitter.
Weird left twitter started showing up in force a week or so ago. It's still rancid but at least when you're screaming at libs you're not screaming alone.
is it better than mastodon which is just ukraine flag libs and the occasional imperial leftist that believes all the things the state department wants?
Uhhh woah
Edit: This is not LibSky lol I’m just dumb
Wait a minute lmao this is not the same thing. This is a crypto thing
bit idea: create a new shitcoin for every trendy new startup so people buy it thinking they're buying 
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I don't fault you for going where you gotta go, but I imagine that as bsky gains popularity, it will gain advertising, and it will start deplatforming accounts like yours. It is corporate social media after all. I'm not sure what a good alternative is though. In my early days on Mastodon, there was Switter, which seems like the right kind of model, but it collapsed for reasons I can't recall.
Yeah I addressed this in another comment, but this will happen if Bluesky gets big enough. That’s just the joy of being a SW! But we’ll use it until we can’t. We’re very adaptable like that because we have to be.
The reason I thought it might be relevant here is that we are pretty much always early adopters, so often the masses tend to follow us, whether they’re aware of it or not. We’ve been on there for a year or so but this is the first really big migration that I’ve personally witnessed.
My opinion as to why Switter never really took off is that a SW-specific platform is too niche. Clients/customers didn’t really follow us over. It’s super difficult to get people to switch to new platforms; Emile Torres did a great episode of Kelly Hayes’ “Movement Memos” podcast about “switching costs,” why it’s so hard to move people to a new platform, and what platforms can do to mitigate those costs.
Also, Mastodon just seems a little too nerdy for the general public if I’m being honest 😬
It's like when young working class people, minorities, artists, make a neighborhood nice and then it gets gentrified.
I really appreciate your perspective on this stuff. I hadn't considered how SWerz would be on the cutting edge of privacy/security tech and concerns. I completely understand the nerd factor of the fediverse in general, but I can't help feeling like it is "the answer" to corporate controlled networks. Then again, I'm also aware of the inherent issue around "technical solutions to political problems".
I do wonder if this would move users over, or if SW will just relent and return to twitter as it has a much larger userbase. ofc if you're advertising a service, you want the most people to see it and be able to pay for it. Blue Sky has had huge migration waves before, it's topped the google app store before; a few weeks go by and people slowly walk on back to twitter over time due to the more active user base with an endless supply of content to doomscroll. the thing that gets me is. mastodon already exists, and does have a large established userbase, with sex work instances open to signups. BS is trying to be a secondary niche where others already exist. BS is also owned by corperate interests, publicly traded, and has shown crypto leanings in the past. they'll do some unadvised things in the long run too to maximise profits, and SW are a very easy target when that happens
I hope it works out for online SW, an ex girlfriend of mine used to do it as a side hustle and it did a lot to pay her bills. especially in worsening economic times like this, SW being forceably deplatformed is going to hurt working class people who need to pay every increasing bills
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