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[–] Foni@lemm.ee 70 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Yesterday I read on mastodon that leaving Twitter to go to Bluesky is like quitting smoking to start vaping. Changing a centralized place that lives off your data for another one. Right now Bluesky does not have hate speech like Twitter just because it does not suit the current accounts of its shareholders

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 21 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Switching to vaping is less bad, and for me, it lead to me quitting all together. So to me, this is still a small win, and I like to celebrate small wins these days.

[–] Spookyghost@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting menthols to smoke regular cigarettes, and switching to a decentralized platform would be more analogous to a switch to vaping. Quitting social media entirely would equate better to 'quitting smoking' in my mind, as i dont think any platform is mentally healthful (yes i am fully aware of the hypocrisy of posting this comment as a lemmy user).

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting ~~menthols~~ PCP to smoke regular cigarettes

Fixed that for you.


For those who are unfamiliar,

PCP may cause hallucinations, distorted perceptions of sounds, and violent behavior.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Ok, if it's good for you I'm glad, maybe over time it will happen to you like vaping and you can completely switch to decentralized networks

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 52 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I think we just need to adopt the 2000s mindset again of dropping a platform when it gets shit. No one gave a fuck about the loss of Digg and Myspace.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Apparently they just become fascist

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

I had a really good friend on MySpace that I lost touch with. I think he was a little paranoid, we didn't speak much and he was always looking over his shoulder. His name was Tom.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

But now I have nostalgia for MySpace lol. Digg… not so much

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting it’s not so bad; they’re a lot more open than people giving them credit for. it’s just not as federated - yet

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

It has a single owner who makes the decisions and makes profitable the contributions of the users. It is a social media model that has been over for me for some time now, if they are open the better for them, I am not going to join anyway.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 29 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

I don’t know if hate speech will be able to flourish on Bluesky like on twitter simply because of the moderation tools.

There’s already a giant blocklist of maga idiots who have tried to move over, and if you follow that list you’ll never see their posts. And the unwritten rule of the place is to block anyone who is trying to start stuff or that you simply don’t like. On twitter that felt taboo for some reason, but on Bluesky that’s normal - as it should be, really.

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Where can I get this list?

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

Here is one. I'm sure there are several.

https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s

Edit: Just came across a post with several useful block lists for maga, nazis, other shitheads:

https://bsky.app/profile/azalben.bsky.social/post/3lawjdxpick2l

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

If they're still allowed on the platform to speak their mind amongst their ilk, doesn't that just create an echo chamber of idiots? Assuming they stay instead of leaving after their fe-fes get hurt, of course.

[–] croaker@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

There will always be echo chambers of idiots. Twitter is more or less that already.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I left Twitter years ago, but I think you could also block whoever you want, whether people do it more or less is independent of the site, the moderation tools are the same. 3

What's more, I am 100% sure that if in a few years Bluesky considers it economically beneficial for its shareholders that these tools "have occasional failures" this will happen without a doubt. This is something that if happens in Mastodon, changing the node you are done

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 8 points 5 hours ago

Bluesky also lets you unpin your quotes from others posts so no quote dunking and they have a nuclear block. If you’re blocked, you can’t see their posts anywhere in quotes or otherwise (excepting screenshots) and that interaction is broken completely even to third parties that may have neither blocked.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Twitter didn't have block lists. You could block people individually, but not as a group.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 0 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Are these details really that important? Is it really that difficult to manually block 50-100 users? I don't know, everything you are telling me are, at best, marginal improvements that do not justify selling all your personal data to a private company seeking profit from those data/contributions.

CC @JaymesRS@literature.cafe

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 hours ago

It is literally night and day for queer people. Large accounts can’t post about queer subjects on Twitter without harassment anymore due to how the algorithm works, but if you subscribe to a couple of block lists on Bluesky that is GONE. You might run into the odd freak, but community run block lists will keep the tide at bay.

When Mastodon takes user safety practices as seriously as Bluesky does I’ll consider switching.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

All I'm saying is that the moderation tools are NOT the same.

Manually blocking hundreds of people (where those people can still see your posts [how twitter does it]) instead of subscribing to one list isn't the same, and being able to remove your quoted posts from some troll is not the same.

There is an argument to be had about who funding the app and what that means, but there's no denying that Bluesky's moderation tools from the user level are streets ahead of anything twitter has ever done.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, I haven't denied that, the tools are different (I don't even know Twitter's tools very well), I debate whether that is worth enough to accept that it is centralized. If over time they consider that something else is more profitable, they will change the moderation tools, have no doubt.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Coincidentally, the CEO of bluesky posted this infographic today. Maybe some of these things will not hold up in the long run, but we'll see.

https://files.mastodon.social/cache/media_attachments/files/113/478/385/983/255/387/original/47310b3e334f918c.jpeg

They have recently said that they are going to have a subscription model for some extra features to curb the need to throw in ads and whatnot. We'll definitely see how that all works. But I do feel like they might be at least trying to set up a business model that doesn't totally suck. All to be determined at this point.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Twitter started dying when they closed the API

Bluesky’s is perfectly operational

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Things never change, companies never break promises, shareholders never hold power over decision, people can not be bought

Those would all have to be true in order for anyone to have a reason to put trust into Bluesky.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, if for you the API is the most important thing, go ahead, I'm worried about more companies doing "things" with my data, everyone has their priorities.

P.S. Unlike in BlueSky in Mastodon you can be 100% sure that the API will never be closed, in Bluesky it will depend on variable business interests

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Mastodon has protocol level issues that prevent it from being fully mainstream though.

As long as people move out of Twitter, I count it as a win. Especially when we get official government stuff out of there - which won’t happen for the US, but the rest of us have a chance

[–] variants@possumpat.io 16 points 6 hours ago

I was just reading up on bluesky yesterday and you can self host and also have a bridge to link with the fediverse so maybe there is some hope to communicate

[–] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

It's a start. At least ordinary people are leaving Twitter for another site in some capacity.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

We will be here when that goes to shit as well.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Well, there goes the Fediverse.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 83 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Hardly. The Fediverse spans multiple apps and services, and it existed before Elon bought Twitter and it will continue existing regardless of what the billionaires do, because it's not run by just one person.

The whole point is decentralization, not growth, so unless the billionaires can take out every server hosting an instance, the Fediverse isn't going anywhere.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 26 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

This.

Back in the day this is how the internet worked. Every forum host was just some guy or girl hosting a platform so they coukd build a community with the people and hobbies they love.

We need to go back closer to that world. The fediverse bridges the gap between the centralized experience, and decentralized management.

Optimistically, it's the best of both worlds.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 6 points 5 hours ago

I know I can't ever go back. I donate to my instance, and I actually feel good about it, because I know it's not going into the pocket of some faceless corporation who's beholden to its shareholders instead of its customers.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 31 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it's the worst outcome or the Fediverse needing to be written off because of this. At least for now BridgyFed is a thing, and it's not like we have to capture every refugee, Mastodon has thriving and tight-knit communities.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Most Mastodon groups are about Mastodon, Fediverse and the drama accompanying both.

[–] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 7 hours ago

The fediverse is considered 'over' when parasitic leeches like Musk and Spez come knocking on Lemmy's and BlueSky's doors like "we want growth...please sell to us".