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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

Honestly, waking up and seeing my balance was the only thing that kept me from ending myself the day after the election.

So glad I invested when the price was at $20k and everyone was calling it a "scam". Good thing I didn't listen. Bitcoin literally saved my life.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I highly doubt that "ending crypto crackdown" would mean guaranteeing safety for projects like Samourai or Localmonero. Or ending the relationship with Chainalysis.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 minutes ago

Can you elaborate on these topics for someone not in the know?

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Obligatory Line Goes Up video, although not exclusively about Bitcoin.

I do admit that early in Bitcoin's life, around 2013, i was a interested in Bitcoin as an alternative to banking, but the volatility and speculation alienated me from the community. Anyone buying BTC now for $90k, you need to realize this turned into a pyramid scheme and you're not at the top of it. You may be able to find someone who's more of a sucker to take the Bitcoin off your hand and make a profit, but it's not sustainable, someone has to loose. Any gains you make are probably less than 10% what the person made by selling it to you.

If you do end up speculating on crypto, don't invest more than you can afford to loose, and assume you'll loose it all. It's very likely you'll either get hacked/scammed, loose your wallet, leave your wallet in an online exchange who runs off with your keys, etc. You're on your own if that happens. If you do end up making any profit, it'll be a blessing and you'll be way happier than if you thought this would be your key to get rich, and you end up loosing it all.

[–] Wav_function@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yes, the line keeps going up. I don't understand why people think this is some kind of own. That longass video just gets funnier and more irrelevant as it gets older.

And the picture is about NFTs... At worst they're like collector plates. Just another grift. Who cares? People buying jpegs of monkeys is not a real problem for me.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 10 points 12 hours ago

To be fair, the idea of "alternative to banking" is still very much alive. BTC and LTC are very much used as currencies, even though BTC has fees too high for small transactions. Monero was developed specifically with utility rather than investment in mind - now reading about how exactly anonymity is enforced there (especially after the Chainalysis leaks), it's pretty interesting. I kinda hope we invent something better than blockchain-based currencies that is equivalent in uncensorability, but right now it's the closest we got.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 101 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

What crackdown? The SEC has only charged actual scammers and they've "requested information" from the legitimate players to figure out how to proceed. Other than some bad calls by sanctioning software, there's hardly been anything considered a "crackdown."

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That means, in Republican speak, that they will allow anyone to scam anyone without repercussion.

[–] immutable@lemm.ee 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Republicans love a good scam

Next up is the dismantling of the ACA. They will roll out these amazingly cheap alternatives. Health insurance for $10 a month!

So the poor and the stupid will sign up. They’ll go to the bar and saunter up to a “libtard” and tell them that trump fixed everything.

Then when they get sick and try to use MAGA super plan plus premium they won’t be able to find a doctor. The $10/month plan only covers an annual trip to a CVS minute clinic. They’ll go on Facebook and write up how the goddamn liberals tricked him. Other faithful republicans will pray for them and tell them that it must be a glitch because trump made things better.

The con will win because it’ll only hurt those without power.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. He intends to let scammers scam.

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago

Scam and speculation are the only use cases after all.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 42 points 22 hours ago

But that's not as exciting as promising to end something that's barely happening in the first place.

People elected Trump to be entertaining, not for sensible governance.

[–] xodoh74984@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know why this is being taken at face value with so many upvotes. The Gensler SEC was right to go after actual scammers and ponzis, but they went much further and clearly had an agenda.

Gensler targeted the most reputable exchange in the US alleging that their core business is illegal, because the Gensler SEC decided to classify crypto assets as securities rather than define a new regulatory framework that actually fits.

https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2023-102

Coinbase wanted to follow the rules and spent years asking for clarity. Rather than provide clear rules, the SEC provided a lawsuit.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 11 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

There wasn't a need to "define a new regulatory framework that actually fits" because, funnily enough, the existing regulatory framework already fits. It turns out, inventing new words doesn't actually change the fundamental nature of the thing you're describing. Refusing to call something an "investment" doesn't change the fact that you're selling an investment, refusing to call something a "security" doesn't prevent it from being a security if it meets the definition.

Edit: Sorry, let me address that ridiculous point about Coinbase "asking for clarity" directly. Yes, Coinbase repeatedly "asked for clarity" in the same manner as a dude in a girl's DMs repeatedly asking for nudes while being told in the bluntest of terms to fuck off. They were given perfectly clear answers, they just didn't like them, so they kept claiming, with zero fucking basis, that these will laid out rules that every financial institution has been following for decades were somehow "unclear" to them. It was a conversation not unlike a Sovereign Citizen trying to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that they don't understand where the officer's authority comes from. The law is prefectly clear. If you don't understand the law, you hire a lawyer who does. That's a cost of doing business. Sticking "smart" in front the of the word "contract" doesn't suddenly invent a whole new field of law. I can't suddenly get away with murder because I call it "crypto murder". The law is based on what you do, not what you call it.

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago

That's fair, but hardly so aggressive that I'd call it a "crypto crackdown."

But it's hardly unexpected to see lawsuits around unsettled law. Everyone should expect more as we start settling case law and bringing crypto inline with existing law.

Also, wasn't it mostly centered around their non-exchange activities? Press release specifically mentions their "Staking-as-a-Service" offering. Not that I see anything wrong with it, but I could see how that could be considered a security. Doesn't really pass the Howey test.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 76 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Coiners: "We want to be taken seriously and treated as legitimate businesses!"

Biden Government: "OK. We'll treat you as legitimate businesses in your respective fields and expect you to comply with the same regulations everyone else has to."

Coiners: "Oh shit wait no this sucks, our whole business model only works because of crime, quick everyone vote for a fascist conman!"

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 14 points 18 hours ago

It is literally going to be a feeding frenzy on idiots.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (23 children)

Every time the price spikes I get the feeling its large holders cashing out while they can and the liquid from newcomers is available. Which would make it mostly a scam, kinda like the stock market but even more shallow somehow, as if the stock market wasn't unrelated enough to actual production and very esoteric.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

kinda like the stock market

It's basically the same thing. People cry about crypto being a pyramid scheme without talking about how pyramid schemes are a major foundation of the whole economy. People cry about how crypto isn't a worthwhile currency while the dollar (ie. paper covered with pictures of slave masters) is constantly losing value.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 18 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

. That approval made it easier to fund bitcoin investment projects, but despite the seeming endorsement, Gensler warned at the time that the SEC still viewed bitcoin as a "volatile asset" linked to "illicit activity" like ransomware, money laundering, sanction evasion, and terrorist financing.

Anybody who is not using Monero for these kinds of activities is doing it wrong. Just remember folks, every transaction on Bitcoin and similar chains is an upskirt transaction.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Isn't USD also linked to many of those? Gangs launder physical cash through businesses, ransomware can ask for credit cards or bank accounts, terrorists may take USD as it can be spent nearly anywhere.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The difference is that 100% of crypto-currency transactions are stuff like that and only a small percentage of USD transactions.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Do you have a source for that? I've seen local businesses like pizza shops and such accept btc.

Edit: the majority of crypto transactions are likely between exchanges, miners, and exchange customers. An example is the Blackrock BTC ETF buys and sells btc off an exchange in realtime in relation to the ETF purchases. I'm not saying no crime happens on the btc network but to claim 100% of transactions are crime based is just false.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And by "pizza shops" you mean that one pizza shop that tried it back before BTC got really expensive?

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I'm pretty sure they just charge the local currency equivalent in BTC at the time of purchase.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 20 hours ago

Oh yes, these kinds of organizations love cash because it's a bearer asset.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 21 hours ago

not surprised since crooks love corrupt officials

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