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[–] realtegan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know, I wrote it kind as a flippant comment, not expecting anyone to pay attention (because, really, who pays attention to me?) and suddenly it's all over the place.

Anyway, I already responded to a lot of people who commented on the original post. I eventually had to mute it due to too much traffic. So if you want to see more, go look at what people were telling me over there. I don't disagree with most of it, and I think having a good discussion on the subject of this is probably a good thing.

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

You wrote the original "your body, my choice" comment? Where's the original comment with all the discussion you mentioned?

[–] realtegan@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Are links allowed? https://wandering.shop/@realtegan/113465326723014007

Edit: It's also in the original post, I just noticed. Not used to Lemmy yet. And I'm treating the first part of your post as being as flippant as I tend to be. If you meant it, please let me know so I can swat you with the clue-by-four.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 64 points 2 days ago (27 children)

This is not correct. Do not do this.

"Your body, my choice" does not rise to the level of an imminent threat of violence or lawless behavior. It's certainly not "fighting words" as defined by SCOTUS. Without an immediate threat of violence, you do not have a legal right to use physical force. Even in states with 'make my day' laws, this is absolutely not something you can respond to with violence.

I am not an attorney, I am not your attorney, and I would strongly suggest that you consult with a competent criminal defense attorney before you take this course of action.

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

I am not an attorney, I am not your attorney, and I would strongly suggest that you consult with a competent criminal defense attorney before you take this course of action.

Spoken like a true attorney.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People are confusing moral and legal rights.

Women absolutely have the moral right to nut-knee someone who says that to them. I wouldn't stop them or testify against them.

People generally don't have the legal right to do that. If someone tries that and gets sued, it will be up to them to prove that there was an imminent credible threat. If the guy is still alive, they'll be able to claim that YBMC is just a joke and it would be up to the victim to prove that it wasn't.

[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The law needs to catch up. MAGAs have been doing this for a while. Where they say absolute heinous stuff, under the gaze of "freedom of speech and expression" until it becomes accepted enough for some other asshole to be emboldened enough to try and get away with it or even get passed as law! A tactic loved by fascists around the globe. It works similarly to a false prophecy.

MAGAs can't rape women? They'll make it clear that women will have their rights revoked into the future so they better "get used to it" starting now. MAGAs can't kill women? They'll just take life critical healthcare away. With this combination it's not only EVEN MORE LIKELY than usual someone will get away with rape, but that it'll result in the woman's death!

"Your body, my choice" should be seen as a death threat and should be dealt with accordingly. Any kids saying this should be made vividly aware of just how fucking monstrous those words are, and should face detention or even the threat of expulsion if they refuse to stop it. This is not a light matter. We're talking about rasing rapist here!

But Americans sure don't seem to agree, they still see school shootings as a "whatever, put in more police officers" to shoot at the kids with guns kind of issue, so what do I know? I guess raping and shooting up kids is what America desires and I'm the weird foreigner brining in my weird values.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Laws constantly need to catch up.

I'm not sure what law would be an improvement though. The courts tend to frown on laws that are directed at specific groups of people so you probably couldn't have something as specific as, "When a man says YBMC to a woman she's allowed to consider it a rape threat and knee him in the nuts." It also wouldn't be terribly effective since those people would likely find some variation that skirts the law but carries exactly the same message. That's so common a tactic we even have a name for it, "dogwhistles".

The most general form is a "stand your ground" law. Ie we don't question the motives of the "defender", we just assume they were right. That has some obvious issues too.

There might be something between those two that would work, but I don't know what it would be.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't think that "you are allowed" was meant to be legal advice lol

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

I've literally had people argue with me saying that someone wearing Nazi paraphernalia in public was legally an immediate threat of violence that you could respond to with lethal force. No, I'm not joking or exaggerating. A lot of people take this kind of thing at face value.

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

But it is.

It's irresponsible to put into young girls minds that some fuckwit saying a political slogan equates to a rape threat and you should assault them.

She's literally telling people to feel safe committing an offence.

I'm sure many people will disagree with me, go for your lives, but I'm not talking about the slogan or choice, I'm saying if someone says 4 words to you and you attack them, you will be held legally responsible.

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[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 2 days ago (5 children)

My friend is a teacher. He has heard kids say your body my choice.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 day ago

They’re all getting fed this trash by Nick Fuentes, 4chan trolls, Elon musk, Andrew Tate, Matt Walsh, Jordan Peterson, YouTube algorithms which push right wing content, and the list goes on.

[–] zib@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I really hope schools are taking a zero tolerance policy with this. Kids need to learn that shit is absolutely not ok.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

I would hope that schools sit down with kids that say this and discuss what the statement means, how it is interpreted, and ask the kid to put himself in the other person’s shoes. Not a big fan of punishing kids harshly for things they may well have copied from their parents.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hate to say this but schools are heavily influenced by the shitty parents of said kids.

There was an older comic, lemme pull it up:

Sorry for the 9gag quality, but I'm sure it gets the point across.

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[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

Expel them.

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[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That went from protecting religious values to abusing people real fucking quick right? It was never about that.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 day ago

Always has been 🌏👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 90 points 2 days ago (12 children)

What sort of degenerate would say that in anything but satire? I mean, I’ve both heard and read it recently, but what do we call them?

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 133 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Typical Young Male Republican

Andrew Tate Fan

Angry Incel

Aspiring Rapist

Make a Venn Diagram, these are all almost one perfect circle.

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[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 80 points 2 days ago (9 children)
[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

The OP in that screenshot even sounds insufferable through text. Can't imagine what a dickhole they're in real life.

Wow, I'd disown that cunt sister and her rapist husband too. What shitrags.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago

Congrats small business owner, the tariffs you voted for are more likely to shut you down then hold you up.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 70 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Good to see even in that hellscape people are responding appropriately (top comments).

It's pages and pages of OP getting blasted.

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[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

Holy shit... "How do I get through to her that she's overreacting?" No, if you think she's overreacting then you 100% deserve what you got.

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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 64 points 2 days ago

Conservatives. That’s what they call themselves.

All the misogynistic, racist, homophobic pieces of shit in the world call themselves conservatives. Therefore that is what conservative now means.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 76 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Wait a minute… so are there scumbags who actually go around saying “your body, my choice”? Ew. Gross.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The election emboldened some very shitty people to go mask off.

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