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[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago (12 children)

One of my roommates in undergrad was from China, and whenever he went back to China to visit his family, we literally couldn't contact him because all the messaging apps/services we use are blocked in China.

Another family friend of mine lived and taught in Macau as a professor for a while, and he explained how he had to get a VPN just to access the regular internet.

Any government that locks down access like that is not one worthy of admiration. It's insane that people defend the CCP.

[–] Redhotkurt@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s insane that people defend the CCP.

They're already here, in this thread. Guess what instance they're from.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Judging by how empty I see this comment section I'm going to guess Hexbear.

I'm so happy we're no longer federated with them.

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[–] 520@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

It’s insane that people defend the CCP.

You have to understand that there are a lot of people that genuinely like the CCP because under them, there are a lot of people that went from the likes of farmers and factory workers to a serious middle class, with all the improvements to the quality of life that entails. You'd be surprised what people are willing to forgive in exchange for this.

The CCP monitoring program also extends far beyond the country borders as well, and while they would not dare do an extraordinary rendition for pissing off the CCP, many expats still have family within Chinese borders that are completely fair game for the CCP to do as they please with. So many expats won't risk it. The CCP are already known for fucking with families just because some of its members have expatriated. And they don't have a limit to how far they'll go. Concentration camps are nothing new there.

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[–] iamascaryvampire@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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You forgot to post a meme

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Is this trying to say people who support the most successful AES state and largest democracy in the world are not real marxists, but people who just believe western propoganda with rascist characteristics are the true marxists?

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

So, instead of rehashing the same old talking points for the upteenth time, would anyone be interested in discussing China's political project in a broader and more mature way? Like for example:

  • Who do you think should've come to power following the fall of the Qing, through to the civil war (if not the CPC)?

  • Do you agree with the direction of Deng's economic reforms and opening up to foreign investment? If not, should he have stayed closer to Mao's policies, or should he have gone further towards liberalization, or something else?

  • What aspects or projects of the CPC have been good or successful?

  • What aspects or projects of the CPC have been flawed or unsuccessful?

  • What lessons can be learned from the successes and failures of the CPC?

Ngl I don't have high hopes for this comment but I'm tryin' over here.

[–] meth_dragon@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

i am once again relieved that cracker libs are too lazy and ignorant to investigate anything beyond the ccp bad that msm tells them, and that chinese libs hate themselves too much to think themselves worthy of educating their cracker lib betters about cpc atrocity conspiracy theories.

though tbf at least shit like tiananmen is falsifiable, i think i'd have an aneurysm if white people on the internet started telling me that mao never left his palanquin and ate the PLA's entire stock of chicken over the course of the long march. like big spoon stalin but in earnest mao-wtf

[–] Parent@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have a friend from China who's a lib and he's probably one of the most racist people I know (specifically against Chinese people). Just the other day he said Chinese people have never invented anything and that good inventions can only come from the US or Europe. He also wants to look, sound, and dress like an Ivy-league country club dude. Dude regularly reminds me of a Chinese Uncle Ruckus. Is that kind of self-hating common or is it mostly because he's from a rich family?

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[–] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder what happened to MLK and all the people who started the BLM protests in America which guarantees freedom of protest and speech. It really sucks that they all were either murdered or committed suicide and the police were never able to do anything about it.

Oh well, gotta let go and let god. Btw, did you hear that the evil Chinese Government sent someone who threw a firebomb to jail? Nasty stuff, glad I live somewhere civilized.

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Liberals be like: Yeah I love democracy.

The thing I love most about democracy is that I get zero choice or control over who represents me in government at all and I let them make decisions for me that hurt me. In fact I celebrate it when they make decisions that hurt me

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Also it's CPC

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

I lost a parent to antvaxx stuff. A drop of her blood is on the hands on of every free speech absolutist who pushes that garbage and creates space for the worst people possible.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

They do actually allow protests. Western media was having a fucking field day earlier this year talking about how China had bowed to pressure from protests regarding their covid policy.

Jesus titty fucking H Christ...

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You mean the revolt that happened after people burned to death in their own homes when the state locked them in? The revolt that state censors still tried to remove from the internet? The one police cracked down on?

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

China has protests against covid policy that saved millions of lives, the government listens to and adjusts policy accordingly

western chauvinist: omg look at this revolt, proof that China is ebil!! im such a smart redditor!

amerika has protests against the police killing people for being black, government responds by vilifying protestors and ramping up police violence

western chauvinist: they’re rioting! they’re destroying their cities! omg we need cops to put them in their place!

[–] Spike@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.

yes the protests against government policy that caused the government to change the policy

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah those protests. Have you read that article? A lot of, ifs, buts, maybes and mights.

"Revolt". Fucking lol

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

dragged to the ground in handcuffs, while he was seen saying in another video: “Call the consulate now.”

data-laughing

Released a few hours later in perfect health btw.

[–] Grimble@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

MY RIGHTS!!! MY SOVEREIGN RIGHTS!!!

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go back to hexbear instead of forcing politics onto general communities on the non-political instance lemmy.ml

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[–] btbt@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell yeah we love dictatorships of the proletariat

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

proletariat homies hate china

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

time for the next attempt?

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

China has a 90%~ home ownership rate with 80% being mortgage free. 70% of millenials in China are home owners.

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (17 children)
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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It really never gives you pause to argue identically to neoliberal slime, does it?

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy.ml get mad at people who don't like the Democracy Party. We must all support Prime Minister Biden Robinette or else the Party of the Republic will win the next Voting.

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