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Summary

Despite Trump’s criminal record, serial lying, and racist demagoguery, he won the 2024 US presidential election, reflecting America’s deep-seated anxieties and cultural divisions.

Trump’s celebrity persona, economic populism, and culture warrior appeals resonated with his base, while Kamala Harris faced challenges in defining herself and overcoming gender and racial biases.

The election underscores the decay of American democracy, raising concerns about the future of the nation.

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[–] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 242 points 1 month ago (9 children)

It happened because Americans are easily fooled. This country has had all the evidence of what a total piece of shit this guy is, and they chose not to believe it because he played a business man on a fucking game show. It sucks for anyone who wanted to see America do well.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 124 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yup. With the high likelihood that Republicans get the trifecta, this country is about to become a lot more dangerous for my kids, both LGBTQ+, because dipshits believed that a "businessman" whose businesses all fail is good for the economy.

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 101 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Not just the LGTBQ kids. I worry about most kids. Child labor laws were getting more shakey already. Schools and education have been suffering. Healthcare also stands to take a hit. I'm worried.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Robert Kennedy is about to be put in charge of American health care and Elon Musk om our federal budget. When Musk said next 4 years was going be tough for the majority of Americans they meant it. Yet still majority voted for Trump.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

There will be face eating leopards like no one has ever seen before

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Honestly at least with musk theres a non zero chance he bankrupts the federal government.

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[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If they actually move as fast as Trump has promised to, the next four years are going to be absolute chaos. Anything that relies on federal funding will be mired in uncertainty - 23 million people work for federal, state and local governments.

Edit - not to mention the tens of millions more who work for contractors and consultants who have contracts with federal, state, and local agencies

[–] grue@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Every kid's future just got worse because of the impending abolition of the EPA (among other things) and shift back to a "drill, baby, drill" approach to climate change.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm tired of the "fooled innocent Americans" trope. Fuck that. They knew exactly what they did. Face the reality: half of Americans are now trumpists. FACE IT.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Yup. It's the Good German trope from the Nazi era. People knew damn well there was something awful going on.

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why do you think they are being fooled? If anything I think one of the appeal of Trump is the fact that he owns his corruption and shadiness.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago (5 children)

this election was lost by single issue voters not showing up.

Some of it is...understandable, albeit self-sabotaging (Gaza, for example,) others are on about abortion or the economy or immigration, taxes.

What they don't see is that there's so many issues a proper government needs to balance; and being a single-issue-voter is exactly what lets this happen. The sad truth is gaza is gonna get royally fucked now. Abortion is gonna get banned and women are gonna die; the economy is going to get wrecked so the oligarchs get to buy up all the cheap shit they want, immigrants are gonna get blamed for all of it; including the taxes because the oligarchs are too busy fucking us to pay their own damn taxes.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

this election was lost by single issue voters not showing up.

Absolutely. Look at the vote totals; not all votes are in, but Trump is actually running a few million behind his 2020 total, while Harris is 15M+ behind what Biden pulled in. Trump doesn't seem to have much more support than last time, but about 1 out of 7 voters that Biden earned did not vote this time.

The ones who did it over Gaza should prepare to be heartbroken when they see what Bibi and Trump do there next year.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Absolutely.

And as for Gaza, they just announced dumping the MoDefense(?) because he wasn’t genocidal enough.

Announced it on election day as hopefully one last fuck-you to Biden.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean I am also interested to see how many votes the fucking Cheneys brought in...that was supposed to be bargain they were making by tacking very hard to the right. If the dems lost on enthusiasm its because they were decidedly not running an enthusiasm campaign.

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

None, I'm afraid. 5% of Republicans voted for Biden in 2020. 5% voted for Harris in 2024. A centrist waste

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 21 points 1 month ago

The people that refused to vote entirely on the basis of the Gaza have effectively shot themselves, and everyone else, in the foot.

There was never a real choice to stop Israel on the ballet, but now with Trump in office, even deescalation is off the cards.

It must be great for these folks to be able to wash their hands of it like Ponchus Pilot, whilst Trump gives Israel the go-ahead to annhilate the people of Gaza.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

They weren't fooled. They knew exactly what he is.

They didn't care.

That's the fallacy that us lefties kinda fall into, that if someone was just educated enough or knew enough or could see the facts, the person would change their mind.

The thing is, this was all about trying to get back at the left and minorities. "Fuck you I don't like the changing world I want my pretend 50s universe with no blacks and gays"

[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

And also because his base is a cult. Which would require deprogramming.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 121 points 1 month ago (2 children)

All I know is

Gaza is fucked.

Ukraine is fucked.

Black people are fucked.

Women are fucked.

LGBT+ people are fucked.

Everybody's health care is fucked.

WMass deportation ruining families and affecting the economy.

But hey, at least Elon Musk is happy right?

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 81 points 1 month ago (2 children)

you left out consumer protections, labor laws, overtime, PTO, regulatory oversight, whistleblower protections, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom, the ACLU, the ALA, and everything else you thought was safe

i would say delete all your social media, but it's not going to matter

[–] grue@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You left out literally everyone on the planet being fucked over by climate change.

[–] foiledAgain@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Yes fuck you very much America. From the rest of us. You are the worst.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also, rolling back the little the US did to combat climate change, making sure the climate catastrophe will only accelerate in this century.

By the end of the century, the US being a fascist state might not even matter because civilisation as we know it will break down anway, with worldwide temperature rising as far as 5 degrees above preindustrial standards (that's the worst case scenario of the IPCC).

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There won't be another century.

He IS THE ANTICHRIST.

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[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 97 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't call it fear. It's hate. Plain and simple hate.

They hate minorities.

They hate women.

They hate lgbt+.

They hate anyone that's "not like them".

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they also hate themselves.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Well, they have a good goddamn reason for that.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hate is a result of fear and not a primary emotion.

Don't give them credit for their fucking strong madam pose. They are just a bunch of angsty people and vote out of fear.

But in a world in crisis, because of climate change and resulting conflicts, people always get fearful and try to vote for people who say, that's they will protect them.

It's just fear at the base

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, it's hate.

The orange cunt said openly that he wants mass deportations, that he wouldn't care if someone shot at the press, he endorses violents like the ones who assaulted the capitol, he is against any kind of difference from the white supremacism. That is hate, and the people who voted for him, voted for this. Fear for their economy? Sure, but if you decide to vote for a guy who thinks this way against who is different, your fear for the economy is worth shit, you are ready to let others die (or even indirectly kill them), and that's hate.

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 75 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They had four years to find him guilty of an insurrection, disqualify him from running, and put his ass in jail. They should not be a surprise to anyone.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Democrats impeached him twice but there was no way he was ever going to be convicted with the Senate in its then-state. Meanwhile, his lawyers and Judge Cannon have been doing nothing but delaying until checks watch now! Unless you have an idea for speeding up the American judicial system? If there was enough support from any state to straight up not let him run, then they would have done so. But as we've seen, 40% of the American voting populace have the intelligence of a kindergartner and just votes for "the other party" when the economy isn't doing well.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It happened because the DNC is detached from the concerns of Americans. They're certainly better than the alternative but they have become extremely complacent.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think its half that. The Dems need a reckoning.

But the other half is that they don't play dirty like Trump. They don't understand that engagement is all that matters, lying does not, because us Americans have the critical thinking ability of an ant.

If they want to win, they need their own reality distortion field.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Dems got a reckoning in 2016 when their career politician Hillary Clinton lost to Trump.

Nothing is going to shake them out of their ways.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 50 points 1 month ago

It happened because people are dumb. They think he’s bringing 2016-2020 prices with him. He’s not. There was dumb in the Harris campaign approach too, but that would add too much for one post. I voted for her, but even so.

And remember what’s on the slash list: social security and Medicare. How many of you 45+ people have a retirement? Anything you start now won’t be enough without the benefit of social security. Which you should get because you’ve been buying into it your entire work life.

And remember Elon? The guy said well have to learn to tighten our belts for a while. Endure some hardship. Like we haven’t been doing that already. I wonder if unions will be federally legal after he’s done.

Preexisting conditions anyone? You’re well and truly fucked.

Small business? Well. That’s not happening.

Wanna buy a house? Yea that’s still not happening either.

Rent going down? Again. No.

The list goes on.

My partner last night before he went to bed in a Benadryl induced sleep: I’m going to be spending more time in the woods if he wins. No you’re not. You’re going to be working 60hrs a week to keep up and so am I.

Which will probably be the point of the Elon Musk / Trump economy.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Even worse, it appears that Republicans have also managed to win majorities in the Senate and House. While thin, those majorities are enough that we can expect some of the Republican priorities to start getting passed. My major question for the first six months of 2025 will be, does the filibuster survive? I know many folks on the left wanted to kill it, when Republican Senators were using it to obstruct anything more progressive than not kicking puppies. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, will the left suddenly fall back in love with the filibuster? I suspect so. I also suspect that the MAGA wing of the GOP is going to be keen to kill the filibuster the first time it gets in the way of their project. And I wonder where the less dickish members of the GOP will come down on the issue.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They will kill the filibuster because they don't foresee Dems ever holding power again for some reason. I wonder what that reason could be...

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'm not completely sold on that idea. While I'm sure there are wings of the GOP who will buy into the idea of never losing power again, I also suspect that there will be members of the Senate who are old enough to know from experience that things never quite go to plan. Yes, we could be in for an end to Democracy, that possible. But, if we're there, the filibuster doesn't mean a thing. If our institutions are strong enough to hold up for the next four years, then the filibuster will be as contentious as it always is, when the majority has only a slim hold on power.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not fear, racism and fascism. Everyone who voted Trump is a piece of shit in my eyes, they all heard what he said and decided it was ok. He doesn't think I'm a human being and anyone who voted for him is the same as far as I'm concerned

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[–] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The decision to seek re-election by President Biden’s inflated sense of self-importance cost us.

It would have been prudent for him to adhere to his previous commitment and serve a single term, allowing the Democratic Party to conduct its primaries without undue interference. The Harris campaign’s very late entry into the race was premature and potentially detrimental to the party’s chances of success.

[–] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The Harris campaign turned out great initially.

They fucked it up immediately by saying they weren't going to be any different from Biden on Gaza and that was one of the wedge topics that had been created about Biden.

Rather than compromise with the electorate to get people out to vote, they tried to use Trump to bully voters out of the house saying he'd be worse.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They fucked it up immediately by saying they weren't going to be any different from Gaza on Biden and that was one of the wedge topics that had been created about Biden.

I don't think Gaza specifically was decisive here. It could've been with a thinner majority, but Harris lost before Michigan finished counting and Trump is collecting swing states like MTG cards. The way I see it, this isn't the result of one unpopular policy, but rather a wider campaign failure that destroyed Democrat voter enthusiasm.

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[–] esc27@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It is simple. The economy and the media.

Call it selfish, but most people are more concerned with their own well being and that of their families than anything external. They don't see Gaza, climate change, or abortion in the grocery store, they see prices that are massively higher than they were during Trump. You can try to explain how economics works, how tarrifs are a bad idea, how inflation is actually down, but to many that's just noise and why should they trust these economists over anyone else. Their lived experience is that, excluding covid, life was more affordable under Trump.

Take a look at the most popular cable channels and you see Fox news. Look at podcasts and there is Joe Rogan. Social media is arguably better, but X and Facebook are still big and skew right, plus the others are ripe for disinformation campaigns and bots. A large number of Americans regularly consume a diet of right wing propaganda.

[–] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Trump didn't get any more votes than last time.

He won because the Democrats lost.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Voter: Why does the economy suck so bad?

MAGA: Because brown people.

Harris: You're crazy, the economy is doing better than ever!

Simple as.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are the bots and trolls here, or do they just stop when the objective is reached?

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[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Dems punched left instead of right... Enabled a genocide and lost the support of their base.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Surprise.... genocide is going to continue even faster and more so now that trump is in power. All the voters who sat out because of gaza are fucking idiots and will now get to see gaza completely destroyed and helped by the US even more with trump....and they get to watch Ukrainians die as well...and probably Taiwan.

So good job dipshits.

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