Technology

They could have always supported software for that long. They simply refused to.

There is no benefit to slowing the release cycle. All of the research gets done either way, all of the supply chain modifications get made either way, and as an individual you have no need to replace your phone every year. A multi-year release cycle does very little but screw over people who need a new phone during the wrong point in the release cycle, while also substantially complicating the supply chains by making demand much spikier.

It's been time for like 10 years

Other than a flip phone in 2005 that died a death I now have the skills to fix, I have never bought a new phone after only one year. I upgraded from an S4 to an S10. The time to flat out reject the yearly release cycle is over a decade old at this point.

The whole idea of making phones disposable was stupid from the get go. I'd say that most mid-tier phones from 2017 should be perfectly serviceable for every stupid app being widely used nowadays. High end phones from 7, 8 years ago are still perfectly fine

I mean, even power gamers barely need all the power that the high end phones offer, because mobile games always aim for the low end, with few exceptions.

That fucking Apple started with the stupid shit of gluing the phone, and every other fucking company copied that shit, really pisses me off. 2015 phones could have their backs opened and the battery changed if needed, no need for special tools.

Phones are unlikely to become open, as in owners can actually fuck around with the software and hardware as they'd like, anytime soon. A few try that, but it's unlikely to become mainstream because there's no market pressure

Who cares if they release a new one every year? Just buy a new phone when you actually need one.

I know a shocking amount of people who will buy the new iPhone every single year, so from Apple’s POV why would they ever not release a ‘new’ phone.

Just don't buy one every year? We get new car models every year based on improvements in technology why not phones? You don't have to buy one every year, nobody is forcing you

I have never bought a new phone every year...

I tend to use mine until it's EOL or until the battery is unusable.

So far I normally get 4-5 years out of my phones.

Makes sense from manufacturing and business perspective to refresh your offer every year. It doesn't have to be a huge improvement, but technology slowly advances, there might be a better or cheaper manufacture for some components, etc.

On the other hand there no reason for any individual to be buying a new phone so often. Software support must be a thing - there's no reason for a phone to become obsolete after 2 years because of the software. It's a computer, you can update the OS almost indefinitely.

Retail stores rarely carry a phone older than two years, as long as they push new phones every year, people will be buying those phones.

OEM's could have like 3 battery types, mass produce these 3 and offer battery replacement for maybe 30 bucks or less? OEM's could have like 3 phone designs and update the internals, making each screen replacement maybe 50 bucks or less? Instead each has unique screen, motherboard, subboard and battery combo. My 10y/o nokia has the same battery as a new one, they cost like 5 bucks each.

Needless to say I love the EU for bringing back user serviceable batteries, that's a great start.

Clearly, phone hardware has gotten to the point where it can support software for that long, and computers have been in that stage for a very long time

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Software supports hardware, not the other way around. You could run the latest android on any powerful enough hardware. The only limit is the porting effort

For example, the samsung galaxy s4 was released in 2013 with android 4 and the latest official version for it is android 5

The lineageos folks however have been - until recently - maintaining android 11 (and previous versions) for it, afaik fairly easly. The only reason they don't have newer android versions for the s4 is that android 12 depends on a kernel feature which samsung's ancient official version doesn't have. The lineageos folks could in theory reverse engineer the proprietary drivers and maintain a more up to date kernel for the s4, but they simply don't have the manpower

Samsung tho? They easily could support modern android versions on this 2013 phone, but they won't for the same reason they made batteries non-removable: they don't want you to use old hardware, they want you to buy a new phone every year

I typed this on my 2018 phone (oneplus 6) running android 14 (the latest official version is android 11)

The vendors like you to buy a new phone every year so that they can get more money from you.

When they advertise that “only our latest product has smart thingy, or picture erase, or circle to search”, they’re really telling you that they are trying to find a reason for you to throw perfectly good hardware away so that you can spend more money.

If the software lasts that long, and it’s doing what you need, there’s no reason you have to buy a new phone each year.

Every time you keep your phone a bit longer instead of buying a new one, you’re reducing the waste that goes to landfill (let’s be honest, most people throw their obsolete electronics literally in the trash rather than direct them to approved recycling and disposal).

I don’t think there would be any advantage in stopping yearly releases.

I think individuals should stop buying new phones often and that you should still be able to use a 15 year old phone just like you can use a 15 year old computer without security risks (with Linux).

That’s what the system or laws should encourage.

I don’t even understand the concern here: why shouldn’t manufacturers have a yearly release cycle? Technology continues to change and there’s value in continuing to improve. I also don’t understand how better software support means less hardware improvement.

If you mean “a consumers yearly purchase cycle”, then yeah. Long since. It’s such a huge waste of money for incremental value and always was. Don’t get caught up in the hype or be manipulated by marketing. It always made more sense to upgrade on your terms

Since everyone here has the big brain idea of telling you you're dumb for not just buying a phone every couple years (completely missing the point of what you were asking), I'll take a minute to actually answer your question.

Yes. Annual refreshes are way too frequent for technology this mature. Slowing it to every other year instead (maybe software releases on odd years, hardware on even?) would dramatically reduce costs and improve stability. Changes would have time to be thoroughly rested and implemented, and they'd get more use out of the same design (including components, molds, tooling, etc.). It would actually be better for manufacturers too, in that it would be more efficient (they'd make slightly less money, but with significantly less work and investment), but they would never do it. Manufacturers don't succeed by being good at what they do, they succeed by manipulating the meta. Regular releases keep your brand on people's minds. Timing your announcements and making a big deal about it makes a huge difference (everyone wants to be the hot thing in Q4 so people buy them for Christmas), and brands don't want to miss an opportunity.

The annual cycle is a marketing tactic. And it honestly works, so I think it's probably here to stay.

OEMs only recently started offering 5+ years of security fixes. Two years was common until just 6 years ago. Apple got a lot of crap for not supporting older models but the truth is they supported longer than anyone else and only cut support when the hardware literally couldn't take it. Yet everyone ignored that most android makers might not even release a single update much less more than the two years worth needed to cover a phone for a two year contract.

I don't like saying that because I can't stand apple devices. But it's what happened. Then the EU started getting involved. They hated all this ewaste caused by people constantly upgrading. IT security people were speaking up too because phones were a complete risk with people using them for work but not getting updates that stopped them from being owned. It was getting bad for OEMs from multiple angles and they needed to act before the US government made them. And all those factors are the only reasons we are just now seeing all phones come with 5+ year plans.

As right to repair laws get integrated into new releases we will actually be able to take advantage of these 5+ year plans because we will be able to replace the batteries that are normally useless after three years.

I wish most phones had a battery saver option that would stop charge at 80% unless you manually overrode it each and every time you wanted to go over. This would dramatically cut down on the need to replace batteries.

But here is the rub. Even if you convince the majority logically that their phone is still good at year three they are going to upgrade at year two when the phone is paid off. The people that use phones as an identity and brand marker are still going to upgrade as fast as new devices come out.

And devices are going to continue to come out yearly. If you don't ship a new flagship product each year then shareholders will revolt. There must always be something new for the customer. Technology moves fast. If you are an OEM not releasing then you are an OEM that isn't keeping up.

All these forces of market, psychology, legal and repairability and more fight each other to create a situation where most people will upgrade in two years or less. Only a small portion of people will ever try to get 5+ years out of a device. Even the population trying to get 3 years will be two standard deviations out of the majority. Even if the battery is replaceable and the security patches keep coming.

it has been for a few years already.

Manufactures are not going to offer replacement part, its more valuable for them to make you buy a new phone than replace a part yourself

I mean it gets the customers status symbols and the manufacturers money. As long as those phones later end up on the used market it's a win-win.

My still new-ish phone is a pixel 4a I got used. My laptop is a 2012 model and my car from 2006.

The release cycles are insanely fast and have been for a while.

My pixel 4 I bought used years ago is still fine

The "problem" exists on purpose. You can't swap the os on your phone. You can't repair it You can't inspect how much it spies on you Your phone hates you.

We passed that when iPhone x hit

I'm still using my Galaxy S8 with only one problem: Verizon's voicemail app won't run on something this old. Every other app is fine. It figures that the only app that encourages me to upgrade is from the phone company.