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The atmosphere is so heated, and the statements are getting more and more extreme. Let's just assume Harris wins the election. After a campaign like this, how could you ever have a normal relationship with your pro-Trump neighbor/father-in-law/Uncle/Barber or what ever again?

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[–] Hotspur@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 weeks ago

Unless we get a blow-out for either candidate that cannot be challenged, which does not seem likely based on the polls and battle lines, even if we have a Biden-esque victory for Harris, I’m fairly unsure of what will happen next. I personally doubt full on Civil War like in the Garland movie, or the actual civil war, but I would expect all kinds of shitty legal tricks, possible Supreme Court involvement and of course, stochastic and targeted violence, particularly towards immigrants and minorities. In other words, win or lose, I think the US may be in for a bad time. Hopefully I’m working in my assumptions here and it is somewhat more boring.

To better answer your question though, assuming things don’t completely fall apart: the two sides already don’t mix much, which is part of the problem in the first place. We’ll get more govt inaction due to gridlocked congress, probably more defense spending and some states, in the absence of federal legislating, will continue to take a larger role as they have been doing already in the recent era.

So basically more of the same, on a not-great trend line. Something has to give at some point, it’s hard to imagine how you could put the genie back in the bottle now, particularly with overall conditions in the world due to late-stage capitalism and climate change constricting each year.

[–] CMLVI@lemmy.world 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

As many others have said, you don't. That may be part of the devisive-ness experienced here currently, but when one side is stating that the military should be used on dissenters, and the other side needs slaughtered, and they're talking about deporting detractors currently in govt, it's addition by subtraction. Should my side win, I don't expect any kind of persecution of people I don't agree with. Should the other side win, they are functionally demanding it.

"You won't have to vote anymore" is an insane statement from a democratic candidate. "We'll fix it so good, you won't have to vote". And people are on the fence. It's disgusting. Choose a fucking side and vote it.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 22 points 4 weeks ago

Had to cut out both my parents and sibling due to their homophobic remarks and my coming to terms with being gay. The politics just furthered the gap, and the last time I spoke with them in early 2023, "It's all about that woke generation" came out of my dad's mouth and that was the end. I don't expect to hear about their passing, and I'm not sure I'll care, despite them seemingly raising me to be a decent person. These are two humans who canvassed for Obama in '08 & '12, so it was sad to see them devolve.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 22 points 3 weeks ago

You don't. Most of us have already either fully cut-off contact with Trump supporting family members or limit our interaction with them heavily. Our country is rotted to the core, and this election won't be the end of it. Even if Harris wins, there will be contestion of the results. There may even be a successful coup by the Republican party. A civil war is not out of the question.

There is no normal. There won't be ever again.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

this is normal. half the country is composed of backward degenerates.

[–] Dearth@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

24% is backwards degenerates. That's the percentage of the population that voted for trump in 2020. No where near half, no matter how much they may claim to represent half.

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[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

Extreme is only coming from one side. The hateful one.

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[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 weeks ago

If pro Trump. Your pro fascist. Your activity involved in wanting me and everyone I love to be dead or enslaved.

I cut out all fascists from my life. Always have been. So really nothing really will change for the people I talk too.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Don't worry, there's the insurrection and riots next.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

This has been the norm since 2016. Until the GOP unilaterally rejects Trumpism, this will be how it is every four years.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

We need the fascists to stop being fascists. That’s it. Literally once they stop we may not like them anymore but we can learn to live together again

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is the new normal. It’s everyone angry all the time until something snaps or the culture changes. Personally I believe you have to wait until the older part of Gen X is dead before we get relief.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 weeks ago

We don't. The hate continues to rise and election season never ends. Well, the never-ending election season might be ending real soon if someone gets their way.

Trump could die tomorrow and fascism would still be a rising problem in the US from citizens hunting FEMA responders, to elected officials like Paxton and DeSantis. Unless you consider actual fascism normal there will be no normalcy for decades in the US. Maybe longer if we don't stamp out the fash.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It is now easier to identify political whackadoos and disengage.

I moved to the bluest neighborhood in a blue town in a purple county in a bluish purple state. I actually enjoy talking to my neighbors about politics now, I can out out positive messages without getting my house egged.

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[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

I don't want a normal relationship with my Trump loving neighbor. He and his racist wife can go fuck themselves. Their signs and banners told me who they are. I'm choosing to listen

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 15 points 3 weeks ago

I think it’s fantastic because know it is very clear who I need to exclude from my life.

[–] KaiReeve@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What you see in the news and on social media doesn't paint a true picture of what daily life is like here for people. Most of Trump's supporters aren't the hateful bigots that the Internet makes them out to be, they're just convinced that he's the lesser of the 2 evils. This is why you see that his rallies are empty and he's still polling at ~47%.

Most of the deepest Trump cult fanatics live in communities where that is more prevalent, like rural Alabama, so if you don't live where they live, you just don't really encounter them. And if you do live in those areas, you're already used to the rampant racism because it's always been there.

So me and my immigrant wife will still go visit my pro-trump uncle for his annual pig roast, because he's not a bad person, he's just a moron. I'll still call my conservative mother every week because she's not threatening to kill me for voting blue, she's just consumed too much anti-Kamala propaganda. My religious sister is still welcome to visit because even though she's an idiot, my nieces are freakin adorable and I love them.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I assume you're not in the crosshair of Trump policy once he gets elected? Because for some people threats to their life and voting Trump are about the same thing.

You continue to tolerate your family tolerating and even choosing hate and bigotry, even if they themselves don't exhibit them to your face. Your uncle IS a bad person.

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[–] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

hope my older relatives fucking die or figure out it's time to change. on a more serious note, protest and try to help build coalitions against this but idk it seems quite grim.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Lol.

What's normal?

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 weeks ago

I wrote off politics media as hyperbolic and manipulative propaganda in 2016 and I actively distance myself from it, so I've only seen the broad strokes of this current election cycle. Unless you honestly believe you are doing important activism work, give yourself permission to just chill out about politics. If your life is full of problems caused by politics such that it's impossible for you to chill out about politics, you have my sympathy.

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