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Thumbnail: The conditions created by Trump

Crossposting my comment from the news mega

Okay but then that's an argument to vote for trump. Look at how effectively large masses of people could get motivated, organized and agitated while he was president. Kids didn't get out of cages, libs just stopped caring. There were riots and an honest to god revolutionary spirit in 2020 cool-zone
As stupid as CHAZ was it was at least possible to make something dumb like that. Now we have libs handwringing about Kyle Rittenhouse and genocide and all the other shit.

Trump was an obvious obnoxious buffoon who did what they all do, but with no grace or elegance that allowed people to ignore their lying eyes.
People didn't stop getting disappeared under Biden, the crackdowns only increased. I'm certain that if Hillary had been president we'd never had gotten a lockdown at all (look how quickly the west decided COVID was over as soon as Biden got into office)
There was ACTUAL pushback against state department propaganda about places like Venezuela (not that it was common, but I would at least see people questioning that shit in public)
Several countries started improving relations under Trump (notably the DPRK and ROK started getting friendlier). We saw him negotiate a withdrawal from Afghanistan. Not because he was good, but because he's a stupid clown.
The EU distanced itself from the US and talks of more centralisation started in earnest (I dislike the EU, but I think it'd be better if it weren't a US lapdog)
We saw people be more critical of the US government.
People went out IN MASSES whenever the government tried to fuck with women's rights or LGBTQ people. Now? "Oh the parliamentarian!" "Oh it's nuanced!"

Meanwhile under Biden the left has been abandoned once again. Nobody gives a shit about police violence or the climate or indigenous rights or global exploitation.

The secret police are coming either way, but libs at least felt scared under Trump, they at least realised they were in danger too.

Edit: Just remembered how people freaked out about Trump cutting funding for the national parks. Biden crushed a strike and nobody gave two shits, not even when the consequences came rolling around. I don't even know what gets cut in funding these days, because it's not Trump doing it.

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[–] this_dude_eating_beans@hexbear.net 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

AOC feels like if a bunch of tiktok discourse and therapy language was a sentient person.

"It'll be easier to organize under Harris"...but like, you're not organizing now? It's basically the same administration. Big "I'll start eating healthier on this arbitrary date instead of doing it right now" kind of energy.

Organizing under trump: damn I'm being beaten up by police and arrested

Organizing under Harris: damn I'm being beaten up and arrested and liberals are telling me that now is not the time and to go about the proper channels and wait for small incremental changes

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

"organize [to fundraise for my reelection campaign]"

[–] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Organizing was a lot more coherent under Trump

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 36 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah people making this argument don’t want to actually see where it leads

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

OK. I'd rather organize under conditions where shitlibs can see the government is evil than when they're trying to cudgel us all to death for criticizing their genocide king and queen

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

Seriously, why would any leftist WANT a liberal government if that was their primary goal?

Conservatives will want to kill you no matter what, but at least if there is a conservative genocider in chief, you can get liberals to agree with you on things (and get some of them to see the light MUCH easier)

They just cover their ears to reality and march past you into the convention center when it's their figurehead doing it

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My favorite part of biden being president was how he very non authoritarianly crushed the student protests

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

he was just doing what the student unions wanted.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Biden may have crushed the protests, but it was in their best interest because he later quietly won* them a pizza party, and didn’t make a fuss or brag about it. That’s what a real leader does.

* for eligible employees of over two years with fewer than 2 days of claimed sick leave in the past 45 months

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago

Pelosi straight-up accused pro-Palestine activists of being Russian agents, so

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] REgon@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

Whenever aoc speaks I just hear brrrrrrttt

[–] miz@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago
[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago

they said the same shit in 2020 and have done 0 organising since then

[–] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Accelerationist Ocazio Cortez

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

You are correct and I wouldn't either but AOC seems to inadvertently make a case for it.

Also the pun is there joker-troll

[–] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, would-be leftists get really comfortable and disengage from activism under democrat presidencies so, i guess the accelerationists are right?

That's the conclusion you want us to reach, right, you little CIA sheepdog?

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

~~I wouldn't call it accelerationism~~ ~~Also I hope this is a bit, because calling me a CIA sheepdog for... I don't even know what it is you think I'm doing that would be a CIA thing.~~
~~"The system is inherently flawed and we should not trust it!"~~
~~"Right, that's just what the CIA wants us to think"~~

~~You are doing a bit, right?~~

edit: "you" as in AOC picard

[–] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah it's not easy to find but before she was elected she made a little trip to an African country under the banner of USAID and there was a coup while she was there lol

i can't like, definitively say she's an asset that had a hand in the overthrow of a government, but i'm saying she was in the right place at the right time under a known letter agency cutout

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Damn I didn't know that. I just knew the thing about working as a bartender for just 6 months and being a political staffer before that

[–] miz@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

the country was Niger btw (cw: NATOPedia)

EDIT: here is evidence of her trip:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a junior in the College of Arts and Sciences, went to Niamey for study abroad and was confident in the safety of students studying in Niger.

“Nigeriens are an overwhelmingly peaceful people. Even with the political instability that hung in the air, the most discomfort that I felt was an uncertainty about the future of the Nigerian people,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “Our security was a high priority for the U.S. Embassy and of our Nigerien friends and host families, and I never doubted their abilities to take care of us.”

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It seems like bad things are viewed as good under KDolph, while bad things are viewed as bad under Trump. I think it might be good to organize in a country where bad things are seen as bad, but idk.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

is-this Is this rectification of names?

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

absolutely sheepdogging for the Genocidal Democratic Party. She is gonna be insufferable for the next few years as she continues her careerism. She is the final result of the Sanders-DSA run.

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

Her and Bernie are sheepdogs of a fur-tuft istg.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i've had some awful takes on here but i think my worst one was ever defending her

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Hey I fell for it too. Tbh she got more and more obvious with time and also

ol' reliable
it was a different time

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

AOC: “Hakeem! I went out there and told the left to vote for Harris like the good team player I am! Can I sit at the cool kids table now?”

Jeffries: “Fuck you.”

[–] InternetLefty@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

This is quite literally sheepdogging

[–] Mokey2@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

Aoc the leftist whisper pspspspsps

[–] Ericthescruffy@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

Oh yeah, because this fucking administration totally didn't crack down on student led protests or break workers strikes. Shut the fuck up!