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Donald Trump supporters are just making up data now to make him look good.

Results from a “shock” poll shared by one of Donald Trump’s surrogates started trending on X Monday, telling 1.4 million people that the Republican presidential nominee was gaining ground on Vice President Kamala Harris in New Mexico. 

But none of it appears to be real.

MAGA ally Richard Grennell, who served as the acting director of national intelligence during Trump’s administration, posted the sourceless numbers to his X account, claiming that Harris only had a three-point lead on the former president in the battleground state. But that alleged narrow lead made light of other recent surveys, including one published in the Albuquerque Journal on Monday, which showed Harris with a  nine-point lead, three times more than Grennell suggested.

Trump surrogates are literally fabricating polls at this point to make their supporters think a victory is inevitable,” wrote Democratic strategist and pollster Matt McDermott in response to Grennell’s post. “No poll shows this in New Mexico.”

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 159 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Yes. They're making up all the bullshit pretext for another attempt at overthrowing a fair election. They've been doing it for weeks.

[–] III@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So strange to define a span of years as weeks.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of weeks then.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Exactly. So the real question is, why is New Republic trying to help Trump by downplaying it as "mere" propaganda?

I am sick and tired of the entire news media -- even the nominally (according to the bot) "left" ones -- carrying water for the fascists!

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The bot called the internet archive left-center

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

LOL, that bot's sources are ridiculous. Maybe someone that reads David Brooks and thinks he's some "centrist" and that being a "centrist" (on matters of things like freedom vs. fascism) is some kind of gold standard we all should aspire to might have such a spectrum in their head - in other words, it reads like a totally inside the beltway kind of rating. Very American-centric, and not only just that, but very, very beltway-centric.

I've seen more than a few rush to their defense, here on Lemmy and on other platforms, though.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 3 weeks ago

What pisses me off most about this is that Hillary had a massive lead and polls had her at 95% chance to win, yet even the claim of Russian propaganda was balked at let alone an actual stolen election.

But now they'll use fucked up polls as proof of election interference/fraud....

I hate this timeline so fucking much...

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This makes me feel much better about https://lemmy.world/post/21153248 - undoubtably what must be happening is that even despite his best efforts, Nate Silver's polling data is being contaminated by this made up stuff, and so the new trend he's reporting isn't actually real.

...Right?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. That is what all the open pollsters are seeing and saying. It's not a secret or anything.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 51 points 3 weeks ago

Whether or not this poll is real doesn't matter. The reality is that this election is literally a 50-50 coin toss right now, so you have to do everything you can to help Harris win!!! Volunteer to make calls, speak to your friends and family and make sure they have a specific plan to go vote, offer car rides or baby sitting to help people actually get to the voting booth, - whatever you can think of doing!!!

https://go.kamalaharris.com/

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So... it's the same as he's always done?

remember when he was surprised he actually won in 2016?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I remember Melania cried. Not the happy kind.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember how unhappy he looked? I do.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes. He looked. Not her.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

She thought she might have to take leave of the pool boy.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well she didn't move to the Whitehouse until several months after Don.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Say what? There's video of her in Trump Towers celebrating with everyone else at the announcement. Trump was the one with his head in his hands.

[–] floral_toxicity@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago

Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Keep on telling them that they are winning or it's very close, so when they lose (whether in a landslide or not is irrelevant), they'll call that restaurant with all the goofy stuff on the wall, and the mozzarella sticks, and try to overthrow the government again.

IT RUBS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

whether in a landslide or not is irrelevant

I disagree. A landslide would be much harder to fight/stop.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You do understand who MAGA is right? It's the mentally ill mixed with the racist. They don't care.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Right. A close relative and I were talking to an acquaintance, let's say (not a friend) who is totally in the tank for donnie - a magabrain if ever there was one. This woman simply could not grasp that most of the country thinks donnie is weird, delusional, that he's dangerous, not normal, and very unlikable.

She's like...."but over half the country likes him?!" And I don't even know if she actually believes this bullshit, or if she's just playing mock outrage at someone giving her some truth about her fat golden boy.

Where to even start with this shit? Half? I asked her where she gets half? And she says more than half the country voted for him but he only lost the electoral college, it was stolen, etc...good grief. They are just stuck in a total fact-free bubble. I didn't even want to continue the conversation at that point. I'm sure all these magaferbrainz think they "win" arguments, but the truth is that most adults just don't have the patience to walk them through all the ways they are wrong and how fallacious their arguments are: not all Americans qualified to vote, donnie lost the popular vote by a fucking LOT, etc...

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Let's create a landslide anyway. For funsies.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

True, but also true: overturning 5 swing states results will be much harder for them.

It's imperative to make it a landslide.

Also for down ballot races. The house and senate are still critical to take.

[–] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They'll think the election is stolen when the bullshit polls they've conditioned themselves with prove false.

They will believe the new government is illegitimate and be more likely to resort to violence

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes. That's what I said.

The "restaurant with all the shit on the walls, with the mozzarella sticks", for those that don't know, is a reference to the 2001 cinema cult classic "Super Troopers", wherein one character is being tricked into saying the word "Shenanigans" in order to receive a pistol whipping, which was threatened to the next person who said the word, while aforementioned character was out of earshot.

In making the reference, in also subtly reminding readers of the post-2020 election Trump press conference, which was mistakenly placed at "Four Seasons Landscaping", which up until shortly before the event, Trump thought was happening at a Four Seasons Hotel.

The setting of the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference itself, was a bit of foretelling poetry, as it was a run-down warehouse nestled between a porn shop and a crematorium. Thats the type of shit Nathaniel Hawthorne couldn't even think up.

Which is fitting, because the opening of The Scarlett Letter paints the setting as a town that built a prison and a cemetery before anything else.

And, funny story, Nathaniel Hawthorne was a direct descendent of Judge John Hathorne, a pivotal character in both the historical Salem Witch Trials, and the fictionalization known through the book The Crucible, by Arthur Miller. Which of course was using the Salem witch hunts as a metaphor for McCarthy-era anti-communism trials...but also, Trump is constantly crying of being a victim of a political witch hunt.

Sup dawg. Heard you liked being meta.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Frisky Dingo nailed it almost 20 years ago.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What an incredible coincidence how that aligns with this:

A note on Universal Monk