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Look at here and the people who complain about it being too hard to figure out are the ones complaining about "I can't use muh slurs, this is awful."

"The left of today is very much in favour of censorship to avoid “harm.” This makes those of us in the middle very wary of signing up to any partisan media." /u/decidedlysticky23

/u/misshapensteed claims he isn't far right, but explictly only posts on PoliticalCompassMemes and TheLeftCantMeme and KotakuInAction.

If they are too stupid to figure out we know they're lying, they're too stupid to figure out lemmy.

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[–] smokelore@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

they’re too stupid to figure out lemmy

Please let's not introduce elitism into Lemmy. I just got here and stumbled upon this post. The social network you use does not make you superior. As much as I agree with anti-racist censorship, there is no need to speak as if Lemmy users are superior beings. It was annoying when Redditors did it back in the day and it will continue to be now.

[–] queue@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

I mean more as "if you can't look past skin tone and gender, you can't probably read a sign up sheet."

Racists are idiots. The ones who learned better aren't idiots because they applied new knowledge.

Racists just regurgitate what they were told since birth, without questioning anything and doubling down.

Is Lemmy better? Remains to be seen. But if they refuse to join because we won't tolerate slurs, that's a bonus.

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[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (17 children)

I'm glad that Beehaw doesn't do it, but the other instances shouldn't be federating the Tankies.

Authoritarian, genocide-denial, Stalin-praising politics have no place on the left.

[–] vrojak@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That is the one thing that still makes me unsure of whether I should fully support Lemmy or not. I know how the federation works and that those communities can be easily excluded, but what is off to me is that the two main devs of Lemmy itself (and the Android app) are themselves tankies.

[–] Wigglet@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Personally I'm not sure I consider tankies leftists. Although communism is a leftists ideal, it's based on the premise of people being equal and deserving of basic needs. Tankies often embrace misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, and authoritarianism and deny or even support injustices against other humans. Not very leftist of them imo

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I agree, I don't really see a lot of "left" in the position that Imperialist ethnostates are okay for some, but not for others.

ML-tendencies have also historically been opposed to the goals of even the Marxist movements. Considering the way that the Bolsheviks removed power from the People, Soldier, and Worker's Soviet to instead centralize into their own centralized "Soviet" organ of power. Or the reactionary, authoritarian and socially conservative policies pushed by the contemporary and often the historical CCP (though the history of Maoism is obviously complex).

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[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

claims he isn’t far right

Right-wing extremists do this to make it seem like their position is widely held and "normal." The worst extreme right-wing party we have here in Finland (Valta kuuluu kansalle or "Power Belongs to the People", aka Valta kuuluu Kremlille or "Power Belongs to the Kremlin") claims to be center right. The head of the party is a pro-Russia flat earther who doesn't believe in climate change, and the party is staunchly anti-immigration

[–] RovenOver@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Performative Overton acrobatics.

[–] rootinit@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I think Lemmy is too political, but still joined a long time ago. Things can improve with time. We're seeing this happen now.

[–] d3fc0n1@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I wish the fediverse is able to contain all the ideas, all the political positions and that disconnecting/blocking an instance is only used for behaviors like spamming. Not giving every political stance the opportunity to be a part of the same world fuels extremists.

Beehaw and other instances can kick all the users with far-right beliefs. That's fair. But Lemmy users shouldn't be blocked to listen to or even interact with them, in their own instances, if they wanted. Don't help creating political ghettos.

[–] sophware@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How would I be blocked from "listening to" (that's never what's going on) psedo-Nazis in my own instance?

[–] d3fc0n1@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry, I didn't understood what you meant. Especially the parenthesis part.

[–] sophware@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

That's the unimportant part.

Let me be clear. I'm asking, "How would I be blocked from listening to and interacting with anyone in my own instance?"

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[–] creek@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's funny is there is nothing stopping them from making their own instance. I think the hesitation stems from them coming to grips with reality that few people really want to engage with their messaging when they step out of their bubble.

[–] Valliac@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because they can't make people who don't agree with them miserable if they're all relegated to their own bubbles.

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[–] knova@links.dartboard.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I told a guy today his hate of communism was totally his own prerogative, but he might want to put it aside to make a unified front against the impending Reddit changes. He flipped out on me and called me some choice words. Just another day on Reddit I guess.

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[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 1 points 2 years ago

I'm a software engineer and even I find the UI of the apps confusing and mediocre at best, actively terrible at worst. Once you figure out the quirks it's relatively straightforward, but it's honestly just a bad user experience.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yes. This is a different platform, I'd rather we don't just transplant all the reddit problems here.

Lemmy is inherently political. It was and is a revolt against reddit's staff, their business model and the influence of US politics, media and corporations on their platform due to their advertising model. This place wouldn't exist if there wasn't political differences.

We're not here to impress people who were banned for spreading Nazism. Go to all the reddit-clones that started in the early 2010s when reddit got called out for hosting toxic racist-or-fascist hate communities and communities sexualizing minors (e.g. /r/jailbait).

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly. I'm not exactly hiding my politics.

If anything, I'm glad being open about it means that a lot of bigots aren't going to use lemmy in the first place. A natural filter to keep the transphobes and McCarthyites elsewhere.

[–] VioletteRei@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, exactly. If we can have the equivalent of Reddit without the bigots, it's a big plus. Tired as a trans woman to go on r/Gaming and see transphobic comments

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[–] ClaySpears@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It is funny how the only viable Reddit alternative I’ve found so far (here) isnt led by weird libertarian tech bros but communists lol

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